Raindawg

Yo! "I'm down wid dat! 'cept if you be drillin' holes!"

Ain't old, nor a clown, nor cuddly (in fact, I'm the same vintage of m'pal, Off White, and going strong). Predictable, yes. Mr.E., although I think you're full of crap, at least 90% of the time, I applaud you for at least reproducing a splendid image of the great Tommy Cooper: Here's some more:

Hey potty-mouthed big expert with two postings on this site. Tone it down, amateur. If you knew the full extent of my derision for the farce known as "sport-climbing", you'd realize how much I held back. If you or anyone else expects a bunch of high-fives from everybody for promoting climbing at such environmental atrocities as Li'l Si and Exit 38, forget it. There's a growing number of people who are beginning to realize that clipping lines of closely-spaced, rapped-placed permanent alterations to the rocks is shameful. Maybe you weren't aware of this viewpoint but perhaps now, for the first time, you have been exposed to it. And look at that...I made my point without resorting to foul-language! Useless? Old? You don't have a clue. Now run along, Mr. Young and Useful. By the way, why isn't all of this posted in the "Climbing Partners" section instead of the "Rock Climbing Forum". It might be less exposed to general commentary such as my own.

You mean this guy?

That's how a lot of babies are made in this country.

I thought you said you wanted to go climbing?

You know....pope and I were the ones who originally came up with the concept of "Alpine Buddy" a few years ago. For reasons we certainly can't fathom now, we awarded the first title to "MattP". After various bannings, his questionings of our sincerities, etc., we decided to rescind the title a while back although it is apparently still used with pride. The quote above serves to confirm our decision. MattP: "Alpine Buddy"...NOT!

Ivan say: No, it isn't a "cut and dried philosophy", which is why there are 2000 years of continuing theological discussions on the subject and hundreds of different churches listed in the phone book. Jesus, though, did have standards for morality. He expected people to strive for those standards but he was capable of forgiving people who nonetheless fell short. classy, dude...do your homework about Jesus..."yadda-yadda-yadda" doesn't cut it. And here's another class act by "tvashtarkatena": And he harmed whom with his opinions? The Teletubbies? And, spreading even more hate in case you hadn't had enough!: sad....sad indeed!

kev'sbone says: What a curious expression! You like this? Moderators, please move this topic to Cafe Sensitivo or something equally fruity.

The responses posted here have been interesting insights into individual character. I gotta agree with Mr. Fairweather, there be a WHOLE LOT OF HATE being expressed here. Jerry Falwell would probably tell you that he didn't "hate anyone"; he seemed to be of the "love the sinner, hate the sin" variety. Ironically, he probably had a lot less hate in him than many of the people posting here! The man certainly had some standards that were apparently different from many of those contributing their joy to his death. The guy was entitled to his opinion, JUST LIKE YOU, and if you think democracy and a free society are so great, than you have to put up with his stuff JUST LIKE HE HAD TO PUT UP WITH YOURS. Or, we can just subscribe to a curious form of liberal fascism and shut him down because we don't like what he says because his views don't fit the parameters of our particular version of the "open and accepting" paradigm; kinda like the old "I don't tolerate intolerance" paradox. Go ahead, spew your hate, love-pretenders! There....feel better now?

By the way, Alpine K: "Old Gregg" and his "downstairs mix-up" is VERY disturbing. Thanks for the nightmare. No more Bailey's for me!

Thank you for the fine example of why I don't smoke pot....LAME! uhhhhhh...duhhhhh....on, like., on belay?....dude!

Hey Sprocket: Have a good time in Leavenworth, but keep in mind that many of us folks hope to keep Leavenworth as sport-climb free as possible, so there are other places that might be of more interest, i.e., the already ruined Vantage. For something "sport-like": just east of Leavenworth are the Peshastin Pinnacles, beautiful sandstone formations with bold exciting climbs. Many of the routes are bolted, and were bolted on lead 30 or 40 years ago, and offer some exciting climbing with some lead-outs....not the average 5 feet between bolts nonsense. Many of the original manky 1/4 inchers have been replaced with big ol' bombers so it's not as scary as it used to be. Good luck!

Raindawg rules! Mt. Raindawg [Rainier], that is. I went up there Tuesday (to avoid the weekend ribbon-cutting and mass excitement) to check out the newly re-opened Park. Here's what I saw: I was told a ways back that Sunshine Point Campground, just past the Nisqually Entrance, was utterly demolished,. Heck no! Perhaps a third of it has "gone missing" but a good portion of it remains and will hopefully be restored. Further up the road, Kautz Creek was amazing. The old stream bed is a virtual trickle with reddish iron oxide staining its banks. A few hundred yards up the road tells the story where the mighty Kautz Creek redirected itself, took out the road, and where the big culvert has apparently been installed. Road work was still going on at this impressive site. Meanwhile, at Longmire, the Ranger at the Museum showed me a cool map of the Park with the many wiped out trail crossings in all sectors. Heck of a lot of bridge outages and trail vanishes. But she also told me that there was no crossing of the Nisqually River opposite Cougar Rock (which would take one up the Wonderland Trail to Narada Falls and Paradise). There was, in fact, a very nicely prepared log with a railing that takes one across the animated Nisqually, and a crew of "Washington Conservation Corps" were at work on the opposite side, creating a new trail where the old one had been wiped out. Interestingly, the cable trolley crossing just upstream was apparently taken down and out by flood debris and falling trees! Driving up the road, there were road repairs just past Cougar Rock that are almost unnoticed. At Narada Falls, there were only a couple of cars parked and I drove up to the juncture with Stevens Canyon Road. There was a pull-out on the right side so I parked there because the road is still closed. I put on my running shoes and ran on dry pavement to Reflection Lakes. Spectacular! Great views of Lane Peak...as of yesterday (Tuesday, 8 May), "The Zipper" was looking sweet with no obstructions. "Lover's Lane" had a couple of blockages in it's upper third which will likely melt out in the next few days. Elsewhere in the Tatoosh, there were tons of snow everywhere....and not a single car on a closed road. Some folks were apparently up there during the opening days of last weekend as I saw tracks heading up the snow towards Pinnacle/Castle across from Reflection Lake. Again, the road is bare...save your skis and snowshoes for the snows above, if need be. I ran back down Stevens Canyon Road and noticed the Paradise Valley Road seemed somewhat bare so I ran up that to Paradise. This road, too, is presently closed to traffic and I met a snowshoer walking who had apparently ascended Mazama Ridge in solid to post-hole conditions. Running up the Valley, I saw some disturbing signs of wet-snow slides including some large chunks of stone that had broken off from cliffs above and landed on the roadway accompanied by snow. At Paradise, construction crews were busy at work on the new Visitor's Center in the parking lot and large concrete pylons were in place. The old restrooms were accessible and a trail is marked for access to the snow fields above. I ran back down the main road back toward Narada Falls to my car. It was great! Tons of snow on The Mountain from about 4500 feet on up with some of the upper reaches still looking truly winter. Beautiful! Glad to see the Park reopened and thankful for all the people working hard to make that happen! Mt. Raindawg rules!

Yet another one... HIGH MAINTENANCE

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Listen to the wisdom of the Lunch-Lady when the cafeteria runs out of corn dogs: "First come, first served, Buster." It ain't like Japanese Gardens is the only route at Index. If you got specific "ambitions", get up earlier than the other guys. Lunch lady would say, "quit your whining and go for the Sloppy Joe instead." And if you think you're somehow better or higher priority than those aid climbers who are out there monopolizing "your route", you aren't. Climbing is pretty lame to start with and those guys, like you, are just trying to have a big day of adventure. Go ahead...ask the lunch lady near you...she'll set you straight!

Both of these babes left me because they didn't "understand my climbing": "Ooooh Babe when I pick up the phone There's still nobody home" This one also had show-biz aspirations!

Fly Air New Guinea!

And what is that mean age? I was out there yesterday and saw youngsters, a number of gray-haired folk and everything in between. But apart from that, what's your point? Don't count on it. And why do you think bolt choppers work solo? It could be a determined group effort. Sounds lazy. Dude....is your goal speed and laziness? And Mr. Jonah says: We are neither cohesive nor unified nor will we ever likely be. Some of us find the widespread addition of artificial hardware to the rock climbing or mountain environment to be offensive to the notion of preserving such environments as intact as possible for the present and future. Places like Vantage deserve to be closed down by land managers until the place is restored. Installing or reinstalling unessential permanent alterations such as the Japanese Gardens anchors only contributes to the physical mess climbers seem to have no trouble making these days. By the way, the "Washington Climbers Coalition" doesn't represent me nor a good number of other like-minded climbers. Lancegranite: cool picture of The Man. "high on rock" says: How old are you? Jr. High School? You're no longer worth responding to.

high on rock says: Hey smart-a#$: you have contributed nothing. "glassgowkiss" says: a) pope isn't old enough to be from the "pin" generation...he started climbing in 1985. b) you don't know his accomplishments, which are many, but you seem to think that a schvantz measuring exercise will somehow prove any argument you might offer. c) it's spelled "drill", not "dril". d) your potty-mouth doesn't enhance your points. funny little man, potty mouth. "high on rock"....your just previous post, a weak attempt at satire, is even lamer than your first, and not even worthy of requoting. Brother Alpine K says: Not necessarily. Given the immature, big-talking, violence-spouting nature of some of the "climbers" who post here, I think it's perfectly acceptable to do the deed in stealth, to avoid the potential beating from those "free-thinking climbers" that disagree, and the resulting prosecution inconveniences that will be directed against the "beaters". Everyone knows why bolts are being pulled. In my opinion, the more the better.

Dude....I think you'd have more success if you weren't so graphic, especially with the crapping bit....nobody wants to think of you crapping in their house, either in the appropriate receptacle or elsewhere. Good luck. P.S. Please don't crap in the sink.

G-Spotter...you're a clown...what can you do? climb a rock? pindude: here's how it really happened: MMMMMMMMMMMMMM

O.K......... I encourage the folks reading this with a little spare change to contribute some funds to the clinic, but the Pakistani empowerment camping trip speaks for itself.