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um, wasn't the solstice yesterday? christ, i hate "war and peace!" In Seattle, it was at 10:08 P.M. local time Friday December 21.

Wrong. Daylength now begins to increase only between the Tropics of Cancer and Capricorn. At our latitude the later sunset is balanced or counteracted by a later sunrise until January 5; on that date, sunrise begins to march backwards on the clock. Only then do the days at this latitude start to become longer. This is caused by the so-called "Equation of Time," a term that describes several daylength phenomena created by the fact that Earth's orbit around the sun is an ellipse. Because all orbits are elliptical, orbiting bodies' velocity around their central body vary according to their position on their trajectory. Combined with the fact that the ecliptic is inclined, the Equation of Time means that sunrise and sunset do not advance and recede from local noon at the same rate.

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motor is probably shot

You expect someone to pay to have that thread unlocked? u mad

Hmmm...does this pass the smell test?

If that was a religious discussion, dumpster diving is the same as Campagne.

tvash says you’re not able to get your money’s worth out of your climbing equipment so maybe you should just spend all your money on alcohol

So much here is about Angry. You’re Christian, you’re atheist, you’re a Druid, you bolt, no don’t bolt that. Be mellow and get some leg. http://www.globalorgasm.org/

Belief is a choice. If this were untrue, there would be people who believed but did not want to and people who wanted to believe but couldn’t. This is not the case; belief *is* a choice. So, given the constant, inescapable bath of Christianty and Jesus-talk in America, how can you presume that any climbers “need to hear” the Good News? It seems very arrogant that you would think it was your place and role to put your religion in climbers’ faces. They have heard it all ad nauseum. If they wished to pursue it, they would. Add your frikkin guitar and that’s a tasin’.

Just imagine how much worse it is for an atheist who doesn't drink. No. Escape. Evah.

Scouting’s been taken over by that Satan-worshiping anti-Christian cult of fraud, the Mormons! http://www.lds-mormon.com/mormon_boyscouts_gays.shtml http://atheism.about.com/b/2003/11/21/mormons-taking-over-scouting.htm If Romney is elected, it’ll be the Hitler Youth all over again!

Ivan, I apologize for derailing your thread. I am a bad person.

I want whatever she's smoking

Their board is moribund, and they don't have a clue how to write a TR. But the tentful of affection cc.com would show them might crash their server. Their board shows they are not so much about climbing as about their religion. Climbing is just a conduit for pumping the product. If after 4 days on Rainier they are still 1,200' from the top, they should tackle Dome or Glacier. We'd never see them again.

Yep, that's pretty much the way it has been explained to me. funny how often the conversion occurs sometime between indictment and sentencing or in the case of the many evangelist Christian "pastors" who are revealed in the press to be boy lovers, prostitute customers, etc., the atonement happens right after the story breaks in the press

I know solstice celebrations from when I lived in Austin and Santa Fe. Is this some sort of snowbound psilocybin bacchanal you're planning?

This isn't going to end well.

The ride is only starting. Welcome to cc.com.

MY skills?! I know nothing of this "diminshment" you speak of! Potions are for the aged and the wastrels. The prowess of The Little General remains strong long into the night!

hmmmm....sounds like most men. pretty much fits We live in an age of diminished expectations.

Now, that's just hurtful.

Holy smokes pilgrim, I asked you what you favor, not to find the most revolting thing you could and drag it in here.

After I posted my spray yesterday, I spent some time looking around their website. They seem (1) mainline Protestant, not fundamentalist (2) very moderate and easygoing (3) strongly oriented to climbing and (4) genuinely interested in being of service. Everything JosephH has posted on this topic in this thread is a straw man argument. He creates a fiction, then attacks it. His statements are so irrelevant, they’re not even wrong. Worship and prayer is not fundamentalist. If anyone thinks it is, then you have placed yourself outside the bounds of rational discussion. Fundamentalists worship and pray but not all who worship and pray are fundamentalist. I was raised in Texas. Believe me, I know fundamentalist. There is nothing on their website that even hints at that strain of extremism. If it is true that they practice what they preach and do not get in anyone’s face with the Bible or “testimony,” then not only are these guys harmless, they probably really are doing positive good. How about you? I am embarrassed that I posted my spray yesterday before looking at their site. I console myself that I was only dismissive and not vitriolic. I concur with Dan Forester: no musical instruments. The last thing I want after all day humping a load uphill is someone else's music and singing voice. Keep camp quiet.