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Ok, I meant "moot" but really mute works sortof cuz your statement had no power... Grass grows much faster than crypto soil. And the descent trail is no worse than Icicle Butt or SNCW. How do bolts make it 5.7? I am not saying you need to be a 5.9 climber to climb on this crag. If the route is 5.7 with bolts, it is 5.7 without them... Walk off takes longer, ok, but climbing in a whole is a waste of time, so walk off and waste more time cuz thats what your doing anyways. I am not going to chop the bolts, but I will bitch about them being there due to proximity to natural pro. However, on second thought maybe I will sometime.

Other than the anchors, about two or three bolts have been added, on the first pitch only, in places that are run out a bit (no, it wasn't me). Sure, 5.9 climber wouldn't be uncomfortable with the run out in those sections, but this is a good place for 5.7 climbers. Second, the walk off sucks bad. It's sandy and nasty and all the traffic on the delicate soils is bad for the environment. Climbers were comfortable for decades on this buttress prior to routebolting. So, CBS, your point is mute. Rapping is dangerous and should be avoided at all cost (assuming safe down climbing or walking). Rapelling is lazy and adds garbage to the cliff. Catbird states the walkoff is sandy and nasty. This is because the slope like most areas around Ltown is sandy and not delicate as he states. I do not see any cryptobiotic soil or the like... Yeah it kinda sucks but then it also IMO is fun to ski/run down these types of slopes. Catbird: Suck it up and learn how to climb sans bolts with 'tricky' pro or whatever and then learn to walk off the formation... many times this is faster and much safer anyways.

WHY?

I am going to assume this is a joke but seriously did you consider that the peeps who didn't answer the "fuking poll" may have been added to the "no opinion" category?? I sure look fwd to the time when gas is not the issue. Last night on NPR I heard something about production in Alaska somewhere was slowed by violent wind storms....This made me think about 10-15 years ago when this probably wasn't a headline on NPR; as oil production just occurred and weather patterns around production were not "worthy news" As Dylan once sang "The times They are A-changin'...." WE are all just lambs being led to the firestorm.

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Yeah a bike is very essential if no car.

No prob...don't worry... my chiro isn't retiring anytime soon.

hey ken, I suggest cutting up the 2x and adding it to the features in the climbing wall (while keeping the adjustability), it makes for more real-like climbing/training.... This is what was done at the Dryden Gun Club and it kicks ass! kicks ass hard, that is........... I may get pics this weekend of it and send them to you if you wish.

I agree. shameless, indeed. AnywayS nice work. oH great god... Mike Layton may be Dr. Layton soon.... Perhaps you have calmed down enough to give my chiro a call regarding practice aquisition....perhaps.

Oh shit, I forgot about the phone conversation we had...... Well, what happens if Mrs. G can't go climbing, then what do I do???? I will most definitely keep her at the top of the list, above you too. And I will take you up on the accomadations and sleeping partners. Thanks friend!

to respond to counterfeitfake: I think another bridge could reduce the congestion on the I-5 bottleneck on Ubridge... If people who work on the Eastside and lived in the northseattle did not have to drive over the 520bridge, then that huge morning slowdown would be lessened. Of course the planning is already in the works to replace the 520 bridge due to its age. Something I do not quite understand....many cities have much older bridges....Is the replacement due to the floating nature and Lake Wa abuse...?.... Anyrate, other great metropolis' have mucho bridges over waterways to keep the flow of traffic smooth. Our little town of Seattle has two bridges over a Large Body of water... How many bridges are in the city of Portland ? New York City? Whatever happens...SAVE UW rock!

If you search the cc.com website you may find useful info too. Kenford's request for info on cc.com via search page.

I am not sure what you are trying to start here but just to clear a few things up.... Orbit had bolts put in due to era of pitons and bolts....lack of "clean" protection. Lost Planet Airmen gets done more than you like to imagine climbing it yourself. Remorse gets done as with the full route of RPM and even northern dihedral (Great dirt route). YOu are right they are dirty and loose and blah but Because people only do the "classics" they have become so.... If you think Snow tick crag is sizeable, then you need to hike some more. Yes, the world will end, but no not if you go add bolts. However, this is a cop out and really detracts from what I hope you are hinting towards... Besides if you go up there with a Bosch you will have to answer to the government as Snow Tick is in the Wilderness... Perhaps you need to think before you type for all of us to read and critisize your retorical bull. OTher than that have a nice day and keep dreaming....

Seattle should forget fixing the bridge and build on to the north. say lakecityish to opposite side.

NExt week I am in Seattle...I am currently waiting for the rain squall to blow over Donner Pass... BUt in the mean time I am going to hit a bucket of balls at the driving range... yup sucks to be on vacation. poor little geome

Now that would make a great guidebook.....I-5 must doS! too late: already taken mr Layton.

Sweet thanks for sharing. I am leaving for truckee to climb this weekend with erik and sara in 4hrs.........hopefully Lovers Leap, Donner and Eagle something will fit in to our already busy schedule of NOT working!

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Click here for short term or here for other short term or for long term OR Here for very long term. Hope this helps will.

I may need a partner to climb some red rocks...assuming my partner mr granite can't get away from his BUSY schedule. Anyrate climbing day is Sat 10-28 then ; morning time 10-29 then and 10-30...leaving back for the emerald city monday early afternoon. please send PM.... cheers!

beating the dead fukn horse.... rudy, you are such a lippy little tool. who gives a fuk how big the ledge is...you are not getting the point. Historically the ropes were shorter, cams were non-existant or smaller and chalk was still aid. My boss called just a sec ago and says tell that rudy dork to get those numbers crunched so we can finish the foundation design to the bridge across northern portion of Lake Washington.....

this is just a mere tease of other nice rock in area....ahhahahahha

Assuming that they used 120' ropes they could have reached the belay above the roof. I bet they were using 150'. In any event a review of some photos of the FA shows that the leader had a beefy haul/rap line tied to his harness. The bolts I mentioned are not on Stern Farmer but are located just to the right. They lead up to a horizontal break. Has this gone free? and if they had 150' ropes could they rap to the ground with out the haul/rap line visible in the photos? Honestly, the bolts have prooven useful to me but I clipped the anchor in disgusted retreat due to the proximity to the crack. Yet, if I would have had the gumption to conitnue and attempt the difficult Full Pitch 1, I would have done so by clipping the lower down anchor/short pitch 1 anchor. This to me, is legal since the bolts are there long ago. I do support removal and relocation. Realistically would a relocation proove useful or accessable for someone climbing the short pitch??

what about the molar chimney? anyone climbed this? it looks neat but I hear the rock may be skank.

Furthermore, A complete WASTE of TIME and ENERGY.