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Fresh oceanic crust rocks mixed with some old beach deposits covered by glacial spew. Now that makes for some great Rock climbing experiences. Honestly, I have wondered about the development quite often while sailing around the islands.

well said.

err, i meant only dc and me climbing scw together, oops. we both climbed scw a few times before climbing this same linkup. yep, there is an uncanny draw to this feature. i think about that gut wrenching spin in space quite often. look fwd to the next battle.

I agree DH the CBR is a MSBatholith classic! SO true: heartpounding and fun! if, you don't swallow your pounding heart. All there: yes, indeed. Its not even 5.11, as I am told, the key move is a trick...I gave up, after missing the jam around the fist jam and batmanned up to the lip. God, even the belay stance kinda makes your heart flutter. Now that I reminisce, I think this was DC and my first time up SCW and 1st climb together period. Good times!

The problem is the blinded by the light ambition that provokes people into bolting for the sake of bolting. GY mentions slings being an overabundant eyesore in places like Prusik WR. Well, if everyone only used what was there instead of adding to the nest then, the nest would stay minimal. Moreover, if the worried sling testers, replaced the sling in question by removing crusty snafflegnawd pink flaggin and left a bew bright shinny sling, the abundance could be controlled "better." Yet, people are lazy by nature. So the 'if its not broke why should I fix it' thinking prevails in the mental battle of the adventure climber. Likewise, the ten+ mile approach and deproach sort-of scares the otherwise ambitious adventurer into leaving the nest for the snaffles and Jac and jil to deal with later. I think you mr Yngve, hit the nail on the head with the people problem...but really the problem lies with the people not giving a shit due its not really their rock or land or eyesore. so why should they care but just climb and clip the bolt next to the simple nut placement or take the rapride down. Cuz carrying shoes up the trail on the harness suX. Honestly, I have been guilty of said disputes but, changing the future and the present is a group effort.

they all say the same thing... i am lost in the waves and matricies of drivel. help matt, guide me to the way of "safe" posting.

Well then. Jon and Tim. Please, can you post a How to post in TRs guideline so every person out there understands the way it works around here. I think such discussion was more than relavent to the statements that were posted. And matt, thank you for such kind words. I sincerely appreciate honesty and humor wrapped up in such limited space. Edit: btw, matt I am sitting. that is why I am on this website. If I were standing I would not be at my computer, rather being productive or laughing about something.

yeah, take any wind out of the sail and the motor will fire up. ===>deleting or calling such arguments "spray" only further prooves the facts that have been many times stated and supported by such childish antics. "you" should have left the posts stand and lock the thread but really I am not suprised by communistic actions. ACTUALLY i changed my mind. I am glad you moderated and made my friend look like a tool. You are a great asset to this web community and please continue to show us all How to behave and talk like adults. In other words ""you"" for king MODERATOR! ps: how can anyone state delutional fantasy with an avatar picture such as yours mr P?

When I was spit down pellit gully hiking off the greathorned owl, the spyderco I had on my harness also opened... very humbling, when Dan and I were sitting there assessing my bloody head and I looked down at my harness to see the knife blade partially open. It could have stabbed/killed me or dan. too bad, I guess.

BRoss, I may have time....if I can escape, it would be around noon....

Ok, I meant "moot" but really mute works sortof cuz your statement had no power... Grass grows much faster than crypto soil. And the descent trail is no worse than Icicle Butt or SNCW. How do bolts make it 5.7? I am not saying you need to be a 5.9 climber to climb on this crag. If the route is 5.7 with bolts, it is 5.7 without them... Walk off takes longer, ok, but climbing in a whole is a waste of time, so walk off and waste more time cuz thats what your doing anyways. I am not going to chop the bolts, but I will bitch about them being there due to proximity to natural pro. However, on second thought maybe I will sometime.

Other than the anchors, about two or three bolts have been added, on the first pitch only, in places that are run out a bit (no, it wasn't me). Sure, 5.9 climber wouldn't be uncomfortable with the run out in those sections, but this is a good place for 5.7 climbers. Second, the walk off sucks bad. It's sandy and nasty and all the traffic on the delicate soils is bad for the environment. Climbers were comfortable for decades on this buttress prior to routebolting. So, CBS, your point is mute. Rapping is dangerous and should be avoided at all cost (assuming safe down climbing or walking). Rapelling is lazy and adds garbage to the cliff. Catbird states the walkoff is sandy and nasty. This is because the slope like most areas around Ltown is sandy and not delicate as he states. I do not see any cryptobiotic soil or the like... Yeah it kinda sucks but then it also IMO is fun to ski/run down these types of slopes. Catbird: Suck it up and learn how to climb sans bolts with 'tricky' pro or whatever and then learn to walk off the formation... many times this is faster and much safer anyways.

WHY?

I am going to assume this is a joke but seriously did you consider that the peeps who didn't answer the "fuking poll" may have been added to the "no opinion" category?? I sure look fwd to the time when gas is not the issue. Last night on NPR I heard something about production in Alaska somewhere was slowed by violent wind storms....This made me think about 10-15 years ago when this probably wasn't a headline on NPR; as oil production just occurred and weather patterns around production were not "worthy news" As Dylan once sang "The times They are A-changin'...." WE are all just lambs being led to the firestorm.

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Yeah a bike is very essential if no car.

No prob...don't worry... my chiro isn't retiring anytime soon.

hey ken, I suggest cutting up the 2x and adding it to the features in the climbing wall (while keeping the adjustability), it makes for more real-like climbing/training.... This is what was done at the Dryden Gun Club and it kicks ass! kicks ass hard, that is........... I may get pics this weekend of it and send them to you if you wish.

I agree. shameless, indeed. AnywayS nice work. oH great god... Mike Layton may be Dr. Layton soon.... Perhaps you have calmed down enough to give my chiro a call regarding practice aquisition....perhaps.

Oh shit, I forgot about the phone conversation we had...... Well, what happens if Mrs. G can't go climbing, then what do I do???? I will most definitely keep her at the top of the list, above you too. And I will take you up on the accomadations and sleeping partners. Thanks friend!

to respond to counterfeitfake: I think another bridge could reduce the congestion on the I-5 bottleneck on Ubridge... If people who work on the Eastside and lived in the northseattle did not have to drive over the 520bridge, then that huge morning slowdown would be lessened. Of course the planning is already in the works to replace the 520 bridge due to its age. Something I do not quite understand....many cities have much older bridges....Is the replacement due to the floating nature and Lake Wa abuse...?.... Anyrate, other great metropolis' have mucho bridges over waterways to keep the flow of traffic smooth. Our little town of Seattle has two bridges over a Large Body of water... How many bridges are in the city of Portland ? New York City? Whatever happens...SAVE UW rock!

If you search the cc.com website you may find useful info too. Kenford's request for info on cc.com via search page.

I am not sure what you are trying to start here but just to clear a few things up.... Orbit had bolts put in due to era of pitons and bolts....lack of "clean" protection. Lost Planet Airmen gets done more than you like to imagine climbing it yourself. Remorse gets done as with the full route of RPM and even northern dihedral (Great dirt route). YOu are right they are dirty and loose and blah but Because people only do the "classics" they have become so.... If you think Snow tick crag is sizeable, then you need to hike some more. Yes, the world will end, but no not if you go add bolts. However, this is a cop out and really detracts from what I hope you are hinting towards... Besides if you go up there with a Bosch you will have to answer to the government as Snow Tick is in the Wilderness... Perhaps you need to think before you type for all of us to read and critisize your retorical bull. OTher than that have a nice day and keep dreaming....

Seattle should forget fixing the bridge and build on to the north. say lakecityish to opposite side.

NExt week I am in Seattle...I am currently waiting for the rain squall to blow over Donner Pass... BUt in the mean time I am going to hit a bucket of balls at the driving range... yup sucks to be on vacation. poor little geome