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I hope that I would, but I am honest enough with myself to admit that it would be very difficult. I do honestly believe though, that science will continue its current trend towards dispelling most dominant religious theories.

Where do you draw the line between acceptable science and unacceptable science? What if the science that might seem religiously benign today eventually leads to conlcusions that support the non-existance of god? Does that science get moved to the black list of invalid or unacceptable science? What if life is dicovered in space? Does that nullify the current creationist theory? What about human cloning?

So your argument against the entire discipline of science is that because certain theories were proven false, and at times data has been falsified, the entire discipline is untrustworthy? Evolution simply represents the most plausible theory available. It isn't a closed form solution like the answer to a math problem. Certain aspects of the current theory are missing, and others are likely wrong, but until presented with more plausible alternatives, it is the best we have. If we waited for absolute confirmation of all scientific theories, it would effectively relinquish our society back to the stone age (which apparently you think didnt exist?)

apparently she is the star of a kid's tv show. My guess is that they will can her, but who knows.

not to poke fun at teen pregnancy, but this is still a little humorous. http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/12/19/spears.sister.ap/index.html

For me, christmas is a holiday to spend time with family and friends. I could care less about celebrating jesus, but the day still holds some tradition for me. I would be just as happy if the feds gave us the 23rd or 26th or whatever else as a holiday instead. I have had some friends whose families celebrated solstice instead, and that always seemed like a cool thing to do.

Awesome John! Sendero looks beautiful. I can't stop thinking about how bad I want to go back.

John, post up some pics of the hard stuff!

Moonstone Talek Soft Shell Men's Large Red $35 Crappy photo

Moonstone Cirrus ultralight ~13 oz OK condition Yellow shows some stains, but plenty warm and packs small $30

Moonstone Minimalist Down Jacket Women's medium 650+ fill $50

All prices OBO Arcteryx Theta AR - Red - Men's Med - Goretex XCR - $125 (looks a bit more red than my photos imply) Moonstone Nemesis Jacket - Green - Men's Med - Goretex Paclite - $65 Moonstone Banshee - Blue - Women's Small - Paclite - $65 Marmot Precip - Blue - Women's Small - - Precip - $30

not exactly since climbing without ropes puts only yourself at risk whereas cycling can cause an accident and put others at risk.

Happy Birthday Rob! Best of luck n your recovery!

Trip: Hyalite / Cody - Many Date: 12/14/2007 Trip Report: A group of us made a trip out to Hyalite and Cody last week. It was all of our first times in both of these areas. Things are in great shape and supposedly Cody is having their best season in the last decade. Logistics: we stayed at the TLC Inn (http://www.tlc-inn.com/) in Bozeman at a rate of $60/night incl. taxes for 4 people ($10 less for 2 people). Rooms were very clean, with nice fridge and microwave. Motel also has a nice, but lukewarm hot tub, a sauna, and ok free continental breakfast starting at 6:00AM. Road in Hyalite was generally in easily drivable conditions with AWD and front chains. In Cody we stayed at the Days Inn (http://www.daysinn.com/DaysInn/control/Booking/property_info?propertyId=01768&brandInfo=DI) . Very nice motel, friendly staff, huge rooms, $67/night for 4 people incl taxes (asked for climbers special). Big swimming pool, luke warm hot tub (common theme), and very nice continental breakfast. Here are some photos: Day 1 - Hyalite Lower Greensleeves (Me and MIke) Hang Over (Me and Mike) Genesis II (Me and Mike) Genesis I (Frank and Panos) Day 2 Turned around at base of Dribbles due to local slide activity Champagne Sherbet instead (everybody) Also Champagne Slot in thin conditions Day 3 The Thrill is Gone (Me and Panos) Elevator Shaft (Frank and Mike) Mixed Var. right of the Fat One (Me and Mike) Magically Delicious (Frank and Panos) Day 4 - Cody High on Boulder Approach is exciting P1 P2 Tried Moonrise, but unconsolidated Instead all climbed regular 2nd pitch P3 Mike and Panos Climbed Save it For Later Frank and I climbed regular P3 P4 was more of a scramble we didnt bother walking up drainage for the upper ice Day 5 Frank and Panos got lost looking for Spying is Flying Mike and I climbed Main Vein rarely formed P1 was climbable, but unconsolidated in middle seeing bypass, we probably should have climbed the ice although it was no problem for these guys Ice started with some short solo steps Also some belayed steps Leading to the money flow Descent via a mix of downclimbing and rappelling, half in the dark, with mostly in situ anchors (threads and rock) except for one boulder we slung and another thread we put in.

the ice on sweet renton granite was shaping up pretty well on wednesday:

We are planning a trip to hyalite and cody next week, and I just checked the cody forecast. It is forecasting highs between 35 and 38 for the middle of next week (depending on source). I am just wondering how the cody forecast compares to the forecast at the locations/elevations of most of the climbs.

I bet that with all the moisture freezing up the snowpack it could be good to really good.

Looks like royal 7 has a kitchenette unit, so that could be perfect. Thanks!

Roofs to negotiate and dykes = haystack?

Personally i view the lightweight insulation jackets as more of a replacement for fleece than for ultra warm down. I have a couple of ~12oz insulated jackets and I use them more than my FF Volant 3/4 of the year.

What are some good places to stay in bozeman for 3-6 nights. Cheaper is better. 4 people. A kitchenette would be a big plus. What can we expect to pay?

did anybody else catch them at the paramount a month ago? it was absolutely amazing.

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