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When I purchased the bibs I was worried that they were going to be too warm. So far that has not proven to be the case. In fact they seem to be a bit cooler than my older pants. I think it is due to the water proof zipps rather than having flaps. Other than getting a great deal on them, they fit me. The legs are just long enough that I don't have to wear gators with them. I actually use the what I call "The Shit Zipp" and I love that feature. Just unzip and your ready rather than dealing with dropping the backs of my old full zip pants then having to stuff it all back under the harness. The only draw back is that my underlayers I still have to do the get the underclothing under the harness dance.

Thougth I saw in a mag that wildcountry carries some clothing but could not find anything. OR carries a suit, is there anything else out there?

I picked up a pair of Arcteryx Alpha SV bibs with the through the croch zip. Looking for through the crotch zip layers to go under the pants. I will be using this stuff for winter alpine. I does not look like Arcteryx carries this type of clothing. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Unless I am missing something.

I also would pick up a pair of Gortex pants to layer over the soft shell for the fall/winter climbing.

For what you are doing or planning on doing it is interesting that you don't know what type of pants you want. Anyway here we go. Hard Shell clothing is Gortex (or simular material. Soft Shell clothing is made of different material. Soft Shell is typically more breathable than Hard Shell. It is not as water repelant as Hard Shell. But for most climbing situations it will work quite well, other than monsoon rains or really bad winter conditions. I personally don't own Soft Shell gear, but I am tall and skinny so finding the right size is a major issue for me. This fall I am going to pick up full zip Soft Shell Pants that will be custom made (beyond fleece) and use that with a Gortex Jacket and that will work for 90% of the climbing/skinning I do.

kind of depends on if you are planning to ski west crater rim. if you are then skin to I-rock. If not then skin a bit higher than the top of palmer to some rocks so that you have a flat traverse to I-rock. that way you get a longer ski down with out any more work. I have done it both ways and next time I will pack the skis up and ski leuthold's.

lol skipped right through that one. I would not call the gotamas light my any stretch.

Second the Gotama. I have those with Freerides and that is a sweet set up!!!! Love it. It does not like hardpack or ice at all, or I dont like ice with them. I ski this set up for most of the winter on my shorter approach tours. For ice and longer I use dynafits on Atomic TMX's. Besides with the gotama and freerides you can hit the park, ski backwards, or nail those switch landings

I would rather do the short slog to middle than the slog to broken top. Did it once to broken top and that sucks much ass!!!! Unless you are doing High noon direct BT is not worth the slog in the winter. Now if you have sleds that is a different story. Even with the half mile extra middle would be better. Look it up on summit post.

middle sister via pole creek would be a good choice.

build a booter...naa, just use the lip on the skiers left. Makes for a good gap jump.

I second that Wayne, what peak, what aspect? Might get on the tick list for ski and climb. Nice pics, by the way. Looks like a killer ski!!!!

ONly 1.5 miles...mmmmmmm. But you did have your MLU along with your two way com. device???????? By the way I have the day off work friday, stupid "Good Friday."

Dan maybe we need to head out that way

Keep me in mind. You into alpine rock?? I am starting to hit the local crags and heading to smith more often. The after work PDX will work as well.

Oh ya I also like how the only thing that gets pictures is not the actual MLU that you will rent, but a $500-$600 item that you will buy most likley from REI. This climber does not plan on renting one any time. I will use my judgement when and if to go, and my skill in using the basic map and compass that does not depend on satellite coverage or batteries. By the way both of which have failed when I could have used it most.

" The legislation got an unexpected boost last month. Three climbers trapped on the mountain overnight were rescued after they activated a mountain locator unit that led searchers directly to them." As per the letter sent to the legislators those people appeared to have made bad decisions about heading up. First the headed up into bad weather. Second, they did not know how to use the most basic safty equipment, thier map and compass. They also did not know how to use the techie GPS as per the letter. But they sure did know how to use the MLU, "Help me I am an idiot." Folks we have seen the future, thank you group rescued with dog.

Second that Fenderfour. When some one puts something up I can't lead I still top rope it. I don't think top rope is the only thing. People taking thier sweet time getting on and off climbs is more of an issue. Talk when you are not at the base of the climb. Not when you are gearing up or getting ready to second it. I hate having to be a dick and have to drop big hints that I am wanting to get on the route.

:cry: I suck, my back sucks. Getting better. Problem will be fixed. Nice trip. I was so pissed all weekend. At least it rained on you . Glad summit day was good. Looks like a sweet route and a good time. On the tick list forsure.

Fheirmerd your an ass getting the goods like that.

I don't think people are going to do the homework for you if you don't list specific routes you are interested in. Figure what "dog" routes you what to do then ask. You can also access the forest service sights for the various TH's you need. They often list road conditions and trail conditions.

Too early to call but I am thinking about it so what the heck I will post anyway. Does OMC or the mountain shop rent tele gear?? Thinking about trying it out next weekend.

That looks about right or a bit futher up the road. It has been a while since I been up there. Can you do the milage for the entire road? Just wondering. Dougd winter access to Jeff Park you leave the road at the big bend nearest to the TH. You work your way up the whitewater creek to Jeff Park. I have not personally done this, but it is stated in Oregon High. Depending if my schedual permits I would join anyone looking to head up. I will be on skis. Dougd I MIGHT be talked into a snowshoe depending on conditions.

Weather is not looking to good for anything. Will you be using skis to get into Adams? I might be interested in joining for a winter assent. 2 days seems a bit tight for time for any climb of Adams in winter with out a sled. You could opt for a 48 hr climb. That might make it, but having skis will get you out much faster as well as a quicker approach times (even faster than snowshoes).

did they have thier MLU to aid in the search???? Or did they have a PLB??/