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Couple points for discussion: 1) Wasn't the "FA makes the rules" theory decided by the people who did the FA? Isn't that like letting only old people decide how much social security old people should get? A lot of these people don't even climb anymore, why cannot the people who climb the route decide how the route should be? 2) If we are going to let people who come along and do the route "in better style" change the route, then shouldn't I be able to chop a bolt on a route if I can climb it without clipping that bolt? Just discussion folks.

Wirlwind gets an A+ rating for this sale. Cams arrived and made a poor college kid in Calif. very happy. Thanks Wirl

I keep inviting kit, let me know when you want to head out.

"An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination." Voltaire I know one solution!

I logged in Darrington in 1979 and often had a ride out with Reece. We were far enough out from the roads that he used to fly lines for us, and often come pick us up and fly us back to the road. One of the highlights of my life was being picked up at the back of a long unit on his approx 100 foot line, and having him fly me back to the road dangling on the hook. I assume we are talking about the same guy, if so I would love to send him a get well. If I have the right guy, can you PM me an address?

Thanks Flush and Carolyn, good summary.

This thread has turned in to spray and name-calling. As a newbie ice climber I am reading through to develop an answer as to the safety, usability, and technical issue differences between leashes and non. All I am getting is an argument between opinions of the ethics. Can anyone summarize the technical, safety and usability issues of the difference for us hacks that are staying out of the fray?

Wirl, I am going to have you ship them to Oxnard Calif instead, I will give them as a gift. No sense you shipping to me, and me shipping them south.

OK folks, how do I view the youtube vids above?

sold, if Peak Bagger wants the hexes that is fine, otherwise I will take it all if you will ship to Spokane. Get me a price and I will get you the money. Paypal? Or PM me an address and I will get a check in the mail. E

OK PB, you take the hexes and I'll take the cams. Wirl, do you take paypal, or do I have to mail a check? Give me a total price to inclued shipping. E

Another aspect to look at is the number of lawsuits verses the number of outragious jury verdicts. I am just making up numbers here, but if we assume that there are 100 lawsuits filed statwide per day, 50 states, 250 days per year, equals 1.25 million suits per year nationwide (again, made up numbers). What do we hear of every year, 10 jury verdicts that sound completely outragious? I am not sure the system is broken.

Peak bagger, you tryin to steal my rack? I will give $10 more than Peak bagger.

WTB cheap down pants, large. Anyone wanting to unload a new or used pair cheap?

I fully agree with MattP. The information I continually receive is that the cost of lawsuits has consistently increased about 5% per year, while the insurance rates doubled and tripled in a couple years. There is a correlation, but no cause and effect. This also correlates with the republicans gaining power; cause and effect? Also correlates with the insurance companies taking a big whack on 9/11; cause and effect?

Sorry Wirlwind, but I am not sure what you are selling. I am constantly teaching climbing and will buy your rack of cams and hexs if they are priced right, but not sure exactly what you have. How much for the full rack, and in general terms what exactly do you have? Don't need all the details, just general info. Eric

I hate to distract a thread, but have people taken good falls on the ball nutz? I love them, but have not tested them. I imagine that once I fall on it, it will be a permanant piece of the rock (if it holds.) Any experience? E

Kit has no gear issues. Between the sk8ting princess, pinguy, and my gear closet, she could climb forever and never spend a buck. Life is easy for Kit.

Jamin, You obviously have balls big enough to do amazing things. I believe that the consensus of this thread is that you now need to work on the brain. If you look at the amazing things that some of our greatest climbers have accomplished, most wise men would have stayed home and not taken the risks; your balls would come in handy at those times. On the otherhand, they took those risks without endangering others, and only when those risks were necessary to accomplish their goals. With more training ahead of time, your ambition could lead you to great things to which the people on this site would honor you rather than think you the fool they do now. There are many here who would gladly help you learn what is necessary, but you would first have to accept the fact that there is more to learn, and that “unnecessary risk” is by definition unnecessary. Until then, I applaud your willingness to take those risks while solo, as I believe every adult has the right to control their own life, and thus their own demise. Good luck sir, if you ever need a mentor let me know.

Kit, Sk8r and her pinhead husband are the gear junkies of the area. You need look no farther than their house for all the advice that you and forty more people could ever use. The hard part will be getting Pindude to quit advising long enough for you to pay. Both very great people, up on the latest of everything, and know their gear. You are in the care of the "gear jedi," follow, and you will buy!

I fully agree with MattP. After my first 5 years of climbing I had a total of $600 invested in gear and clothing. the same amount my ex wife spent per year on her hair. And Kit, remember that you have friends in Spokane who have deep gear buckets that you can borrow from.

so, are we all waiting to hear about Kit's climbing adventure?

I am spokane so not much use to you right now, but in about a month I will be spending most weekends at vantage and you are welcome to join friends and me. PM me your email if interested, and I will just put you on the mailing list. Eric

Spring? We start climbing vantage in about mid to late January and you will be invited. E

you're my hero buddy!