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this song got overplayed a bit in the early 90s, definitely burned into my psyche during my days up in B'ham.

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I know. I know. i'm guilty of pontificating from an ivory tower. like having the argument whether truman should have dropped the bomb or not. it did arguably save a lot of American servicemen's lives, while taking the lives of so many innocent.

well i'll be the first to say i'm not a history guy. and i wasn't there, so who knows if it happened. i can't even prove that the moon landing happened.

wasn't it truman? there are more recent examples.

I understand what you are saying in terms of how you respond to an org vs an individual. Of course, what we may be dealing with in this case is an intersection of the two.

Its hard to for me to consider anyone who does mass murder of innocent people anything but deranged, regardless of any nitpicking on what you want to call a terrorist, where the crimes take place, whether it was considered an "act of war", the religion or motives of the person performing the crimes, etc. so yeah, could be both...but IMO niggling over the definition of a "terrorist" is a meaningless semantic exercise. These are deranged people, all of them. What is different about them what causes them to be deranged, and whether that is acceptable to you or not. (not directing this at anyone in particular, but towards anyone considering the problem). Of course I don't think anyone but deranged people think that any murdering of innocents is acceptable.

And considering what happened, it is amazing to see Sam living a healthy and vibrant life with his own practice....modern medicine is truly amazing..

Well he was a devote Muslim, according to his dad. So that makes him a terrorist, right?

terrorism is terrorism

you paint a pretty rosy picture there! it is probably worse than that. but definitely worse in terms of the weapons technology and tactics with those weapons.

Oh man. That is terrible.

As you found out, the first (unwritten) rule of cc.com that giving people a hard time is mandatory. The second is that it is you never apologize. The third is to never take yourself too seriously, otherwise you'll run headlong into rules one and two. We're a strange and cantankerous bunch. Glad it all worked out and that you found the right audience. Maybe I'll go hurt myself there someday. I am surprised that after a year and a half since I started this thread that there are over 10,000 views and it is still being discussed. If I WERE a troll or a hoaxster, this site would be an easy mark! Seems like there were more skeptics than believers here, so your theory doesn't hold water! And yes, lots of views because who doesn't like a good mystery or a hoax? What was odd to me was how you were holding onto your discovery like it was your possession. Good on you for noticing it and discovering it, and I suppose you got what you wanted with the publicity that is apparently coming. And thank you for thinking of posting it here first, though you didn't get the reception you were looking for. I'm glad you were able to get it into the hands of the news media to get the exposure you needed. Looking forward to hearing what you found and I hope it delivers on the hype you have generated!

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Bump. She is for anyone that can help go up and look....

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easy to find him on twitter or instagram too... good luck.

This guy? http://www.mountainproject.com/u/charles-sidlinger//109095897