shapp

I must take issue with DFA's comments. I am on neither side, but someplace in the middle. The grass lands has always been a place for climbers to let it all hang out, from keggers to naked bike riding. Most people know what to expect. I am sure we all have our stories, but you can't say that the grass lands is becoming more crowded and that there are now so many people that the camp spots are becoming amorphis and blending together with little separation. What was it like 15 years ago DFA? I know you know better. It was way more amorphis 15 years ago before the BLM came in and fenced it off and made parking spots. There were riggs, tents, and bodies intermingled everywhere between the cow pies. I am afraid the grasslands has or is going to become a true "skull hollow".

best climbed with tools in winter during one of the gorge freezups

Ryan on the John Day I am talking about the intersection of SR 26 and HWY 19, what unit are you hunting? Cheers,

rbw1996, Is the above pic on the reservation or is that some other crag? Also, there are a bunch of pretty good and I think mostly unclimbed basalt cracks of high high quality west of Dayville along the John day river where the road forks and goes either north towards the fossil beds or west towards prineville.

I have a really old climbing mag or some thing that has the Madras area wall on the cover. I think it may be near the warmsprings reservation.

I have a question. X-dome is kind of off most people's redar screen. SO what a-hole climber out there in our little community suggested that X-dome would be a good place to conduct this nonsense?

My wife recently learned to ski in the last 4 years. I highly recommend taking a couple private lessons. Within two season she became a competent black diamond skier and is working on backcountry skills with good results. She had her lessons at Mt. Baker. I think a couple of private lessons will slingshot you up the learning curve very fast, at least it did for my wife.

You are correct, please keep emails under 3 megs and please post a TR

it aint much, but since I fell out of the motor (sober) home in June this is all I got http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/threadz/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=PETEY&Number=352237&Forum=,,,All_Forums,,,&Words=&Searchpage=2&Limit=25&Main=352237&Search=true&where=&Name=3940&daterange=&newerval=&newertype=&olderval=&oldertype=&bodyprev=#Post352237

rbw1966, if you have climbed in Hells then you should know there is a lot more to be had than mere short sporto bolt clipping. There are several large walls and probably more climbable rock than Smith (which aint saying too much). b-rock, takes longer to drive to from where? Alpinefox, you may have a point. I don't claim to be a hard man, but I know some of you Oregonian are climbing some interesting shit. The point is we don't see it on this board as much as with the WA areas. I would merely like to see something else besides Mt. Washington, Sisters, hood or smith cause I know there is some shit to be had out there.

Oh I forgot, excluding posts by Dr. Flash Amazing. Can someone please post some TRs for example: Barad Dur, some thing crazy around the Monument, I know someone must be doing something interesting in the Wallowas (maybe repeat that multipitch rock route that S. House did many years ago), can we get some ice climbers to go out above Strawberry Lake?, I know it is in Idaho (just over the river though) can someone please go out and climb some of the newer long mixed multipitch stuff in Hells canyon and post a TR, can someone please go climb something other than the Pioneer route and give us an exciting TR. My ankle has been screwed up all summer and I need something interesting to read about routes in Oregon.

No kidding around bill, most every time I have done that route, which is many many times, over the last 15 years there has been a missing bolt someplace. Deal with it. Either go back up and replace it or leave it missing to add a little more challenge. Any one who doesn't through a machine bolt and a hook in their pocket when going out to a bolt ladder might just need a lesson and might find them selves backing off. So I see it as a favor not to make a big deal out of it, so maybe a few gumbies learn how to deal with a missing bolt or two. "Oh please please hold my hand and put up a big ass red stop sign at the base of every route warning people that not all of the holds or bolts may be the same as they were yesterday!" On another note, have you ever noticed how lame the oregon secion of this BB is, and this is coming from a born and raised Oregonian.

Jim is right, go have a search for peer-reviewed papers on the subject and you will find a pile that statistically coorelate DDT concentrations and egg shell thickneses.

I have never read more gumby BS in my life

more like a 10 hour drive from Ptown (not even speeding much)

Wallowa, Imnaha, and Wenaha The emphasis is on the middle sylible not the first and third sylibles. Like wa-LAOW-wa and we-NA-ha and im-NA-ha and the middle sylible is sustained and the last sylible is short.

Oops sorry, Tommy gets it, may Ken RIP

Wouldn't Ken Kesey be more appropriate for an Oregon governor? pr maybe Tommy Chong, I here is out of the pokey now.

The couch which was free is now for sale at the Salvation Army in Everett. Still have the dog crate, but judging by the posts on this site GWall may be the only person that likes dogs.

How did people learn to climb before the internet? and how did they ever find a climbing partner?

Mayhap this thread should be moved to rockclimbing.com I think learning trad first makes you a better sport climber, and sport climbing first leads to not trusting your gear. If you become a compitent trad climber first under the supervission of a honed trad guru, you won't be scared to fall once you hit the bolts. Conversely if you start on bolts first you will have trouble getting used to falling on trad gear. Maybe this is over generalized but I think it is true. Also if starting sport first is the way to go, then how did lynn hill and john long become such good climbers? Me thinks that after having run it out on many a scarry trad route, and then coming into the sport climbing scene it was much easier to push the limits on the bolted terain since the new bolted routes seemed so much more safe.

best way to learn is to climb, if you want multipitch sport sounds like you will be heading to smith

Moving, Have a full size couch that reclines on either side. One side works, the cable needs re-swagged on the other side (too lazy to fix). It is in average used condition. It itsn't ripped or trashed and doesn't have any stains, but it is used and could probably use a cleaning job. It is free. Come get it or it goes to goodwill on Saturday. Also have a standard grey plastic dog crate with a metal grate door. Will work for a dog with max size of 45 to 50 pounds. In good shape, used it for my dog when he was a pup many years ago. It is $25. PM me and I tell you where to pick up this stuff.

I got some antique climbing gear that must be worth a lot. I have been to some of those antique stores in Snohomish on my way to Freds Ale house to swill some tasty adult beverages and grub on some super tasty halibut and chips that are cooked just right, still moist and so good. Back to the stash : A few camble saddle wedges slung with 8 mil, must be worth at least $34.99 pesos? each, Couple D-Best quickies, still cool, but I don't think these things ever worked right, but they are cool to flex on while sitting around watching the Eiger sanction and hitting the 3 footer. Some newbie would probably carry these for quite some time before they realized they are totaly useless, never the less I have it on good authority that the market for these is on the rise and $50 each would probably make you feel the stoke if you had them re-appraised on the road show. Some old leper hangers that don't have any cracks, they are probably the only ones left on earth without cracks and may be priceless. Hey the stock market is like way volitile and gold aint what it use to be, make me an offer, bidding starts at 3 cases of shmidts (on fish cans). One old no 2 rigid freind saved from the deep dark reaches of in-harms way by a nut tool and friend of a freind taped to some pack stays. Rainbow wedding intaked and it is marked with YO SAR markings. May have been placed by one of the valley hardmen themselves back in the day when they came up to Smith to try some of the new wave shiz. However, no trigger wires remain Might be good for an anchor on a toy tub boat. Looks cool hanging from the pack and makes chicks ask, are you like one of those rock climbers, do you want a shag? Shapp

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