COL._Von_Spanker

STOP POSTING LINKS THAT MAKE YOU LOG IN PEOPLE. THAT IS VERY ANNOYING. COPY PASTE.

Ok, here’s the thing--if we look at the marginal cost (measured in detriment to health) of the smoker who chooses to drink in a smoking-allowed establishment, his/her cost of choosing to drink there is negligible because the second hand smoke breathed by said smoker contributes negligibly to the damage that the person already inflicts upon themselves by being a smoker in the first place. Therefore, the logical decision for the smoker, whose marginal cost of detriment to health of around zero, is to choose a drinking establishment where he/she can attain the most utility and fun for his/her dollar (be it a smoking establishment or not). For the non-smoker, however, the marginal cost of choosing to drink in a smoking establishment because it is considered “less sucky” than a non-smoking establishment is far greater than for the smoker, ceteris paribus. That is, the non-smoker, by choosing to drink in a smoking establishment, opens him/herself up to far greater health risks (in the short and long run), than does the smoker who already voluntarily exposes him or herself to such risks on a daily basis. So, although it may seem to smokers that the logical choice for a pub club is the “most fun” bar, smokers needs to realize that this choice is logical only when evaluated from the standpoint of a smoker whose marginal cost of making such a decision is low. The cost to non-smokers of choosing a smoking establishment over a non-smoking one is far greater than the cost borne by smokers, ceteris paribus. Though relatively well organized and remotely amusing your argument neglects one simple fact; no one that goes to pub club really cares about smoky bars all that much. There's a small minority of crybaby sissies that are up in arms about smoky bars, but it's a fact of life in washington. So if you wanna play with the big dogs you gotta get off the porch. All you whiners are probably the types that show up and have a wine spritzer and leave in half an hour to go home and watch re-runs of happy days and MASH. And you make the assumption that all the people that advocate not going to non-smoking bars are smokers, which it not true, we are just a troop of drunks that don't like going to places that suck ass.

Yeah, they're kind of a fave, although Heavy Petting Zoo sure wasn't. Is that pic the poster you're referring to, or was it the "eating lamb" poster, which was decidedly more ... interesting. We had both. The Eating lamb version was my favorite, nothing like farmer and sheep 69.

You've gotta real penchant for NOFX huh? You should have seen the poster we got in college when heavy petting zoo came out. It really impressed the ladies.

Alpine Belay: "Don't fall dude"

You should have seen the guy I saw belaying at SG on sunday, he had one hand (brake hand) and when he pulled in slack he would fully take his hand off and shit, when he lowered the climber he would just grab a huge handfull of rope and zing it though and then take his hand off and grab another handfull. I don't thing his friend had even tried to show him how to do it.

Does Slush=Snow, cause that's what was up there. Should we moderate spray forums and remove all clmbing content?

Looks can be deceiving.

I would have gone, you gotta spread the love.

Maybe all you non-seattle pub club complainers should take a lesson from the Bellingham pub club and choose another night, then you can see whom all the real hard core drinkers are.

I always gettem mixed up. I fixed it in the tr.

Here are some photo's

Sperry Peak Circumnavigation TR. Matt P and myself departed Saturday morning, 5:00 AM, from the park and ride on 145th for Sperry Peak. Sperry peak is a mountain between Seattle and Canada and lies in close proximity to mountain loop highway and vesper peak. We found the road to be clear enough of snow to make it to the vesper peak/ headlee pass trail head. There was some questionable scraping that nearly thwarted our attempt to drive more walk less but the subaru prevailed and I still have my muffler. The hiking began on a snow free trail for about a mile until we reach the first clearing, at which point we abandoned the trail to drainage our way up to the north face. The clearing was covered with enough snow to hide all the holes but not enough to cover the brush, which was a chore but manageable. Making our way up the drainage towards the NF, we had to decide which of the many sub-drainages to take to get up to base of the route. Opting for what looked like the most direct route we found ourselves on some crappy slush with lots of running water. At the going got a little steeper some small steps slowed me down some though matt managed to wallow his way up with east, we through in a quick belay, at one tricky section, which was to become the only "technical" climbing of the day At the base of the NF we found the conditions to be similar to what we saw below, slushy and rather wet, which we decided would be an interesting wallow-fest, but not for us that day. Though it's definately a worthy route, and I plan on going back. So continuing around the mountain we got in some good exercise and even tossed in a rappel to access the glacier below Vesper. Once at the saddle between Vesper and Sperry, the summit of vesper seemed so close, and the weather was so great we just had to get to the top. I thought I saw tracks along the ridge so it was even more inviting, though the tracks were merely a mirage. 30 minutes after leaving the col we were on the top trying to figure out where everything was. I think I asked "what's that mountain and where is XXX" about 100 times, but it didn't seem to bother Matt much. After soaking up the view for a while we headed on down to Hadlee pass and on to the car, hiking the last sections on the trail by headlamp. We stopped for dinner and coffee in Verlot, not bad fare when you are hungry enough. Though I ordered breakfast and they wouldn't poach my eggs and they didn't have sausage even though it was on the menu. Matt: Feel free to add anything that I may have overlooked.

The same rules don't apply for international business. For example, La Sportiva Europe and La Sportiva America are two distinctly different companies, though they share a name. So when La Sportiva america see's it's customers buying from european companies who buy from La Sportiva Europe they see loss of business. That is why if you buy lasportiva's in europe the warranty isn't covered in the states.

Alpental Ice; good place to go on the way back from something else. Frenchmans Choss pile can be fun when it's cold snd shitty in seattle and in the 70's there, but for the most part I don't really get a huge kick out of climbing there. Things I like: Mt's everywhere, lots of adventure to be had. You can see the mountains all the time so they're there to reming you what you could/should be doing. There's stuff for all skill levels.

There is great touring around baker, though as I'm sure you are well aware, it is avalanche territory. A hike up hemispheres and then out to shuksan arm can be nice, and like mr natural said table mt is good. I may just drop da scrilla and mob da lifts cash-money style

They have recently updated the site to have sections for your location, which they didn't used to have, they just had a currency converter. It probably recognized your IP address, or has some sort of cookie. You can probably delete the cookie, though in the end you'll robably be charged the same.

Damn, I'm leaving on Feb 2nd. I'm only gonna be there thursday night through sunday night, but I figure I can squeeze a little bit 'o' climbin' in.

I don't know if I can swing that. Any of your friends willing to take a cascade wanker under their wing?

For all those who might not know vegas is near red rock canyon

Join the ham-bone contingency for some beers, and what not. A poll on the previous thread was discussing boundary bay as a possible destination, though I think the Beaver was starting to jump ahead.

In case anyone cares, they have $4, 32oz beers (micros too) across the street at the sloop in case you need a little pre/post pub club priming. Lockspot: 3005 N.W. 54th Street Seattle WA The address is sort of deceiving, if you go down market through ballard it's just past stone gardens, right at the ballard locks.

I climbed some ice near source lake weekend before last. It was fun.

That area is know as RAP wall.

Hmmm, interesting concept. Trask did get rather offended when I made a joke on his thread about Mike joining back up; deleting his posts and what not. So how did trask know that Mike was joining up again in the first place?