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Yes! You need to vote Rick perry in. He's Christian you know, not a Muslim.

Happy birthday Ivan. HoPe you have many more.

Wow. Some things never change.

Scott, if this was the odd one off event that occurred every few years when needed, and I see you point that in this case it was needed, I don't think you'd get an argument from anyone. yet we don't know what this guy did or didn't do, nor will we ever. It's all made up shit leaked to the press which might be true, or it might not. The guy could have been the Yemini Rush Limbaugh as noted above from some press reports. I agree with Pats dissertation up there because there rarely seems to be something like this start up in other counties where it didn't at some point swing out of control. We have the rule of law here, we need to follow it, even when it is inconvenient to do so. It's what defines our country and makes it a great place to live. Once it's off those tracks, its gonna be like a train without rails. My view. Take care all, and thanks to everyone for not doing all the personal attacks that normally accompany these conversations. Assholes. Sorry, it just had to be put out there.

You see how you are Oly? This thread was just rolling along all smooth and then you post and it's like a car and a brick wall...WHAM! I changed the title, lets see what happens.

Don't worry Pat, they'll get that dripping stopped soon enough....I'm not a Doctor, although like many I often play one in the internet, it's clearly a plumbing issue. Look down, use this diagram and a pair of tweezers. Good luck!

The guys on another level...somewhere above amazing....but like Chode, I worry for the lad.

Ahhh Hah! So it's you and the president is right then! As long as you realize this is all your fault then. Not the banks, not the policy's the politicians have foisted on us, not the excessive borrowing to pay for wars, not the trade deficit, not the decline of Mfg jobs, not the FED intervening or easy money policies....none of that. Hope and change bras....

Need to get back on track, ya got soft. "The way I think about it is, you know, this is, uh, you know, a great, uh, great country that had gotten a little soft, and you know, we didn't have that same competitive edge that we needed over the last, uh, couple of decades. We need to get back on track." — President Barack Obama.

LOL, YOU AMERICANS GOT SOFT!!! Need to get back on track.

Steve had his own version of that Ivan: "Remembering that I'll be dead soon is the most important tool I've ever encountered to help me make the big choices in life," Jobs said during a Stanford commencement ceremony in 2005. "Because almost everything -- all external expectations, all pride, all fear of embarrassment or failure -- these things just fall away in the face of death, leaving only what is truly important." Remembering that you are going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you have something to lose. You are already naked. There is no reason not to follow your heart." Amazing man. What a life.

Looks like Harry Reid will take up the torch to get Guantanamo closed. http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/185657-reid-blocks-defense-bill-citing-language-keeping-guantanamo-status-quo

Some one hot and sexy? http://old.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20111005/ap_en_ot/us_ap_on_tv_roger_ailes "Roger Ailes may not be a nice guy, but at least he’s honest. Reflecting on his 15-year career at the helm of the Fox News Channel, Ailes revealed that he hired Sarah Palin “because she was hot and got ratings.” "

He'll be back once power gets consolidated in the presidents hands and we get rid of that pesky congress and the courts. Best of all, you'll see him coming.

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IMO 2 differing sets of circumstances. Imagine 2 neighbors. 1 is coming at you armed and is going to kill you. You can see other neighbors bodies in the street and had come out to the porch when you heard shots. This neighbor tells you he's going to kill you and is armed with a weapon. "Direct threat", you put him down. Self-defense. The 2nd neighbor is pissed at you, he's yelling and arm waving but is otherwise unarmed, if you put him down you go to jail for murder. That is what is here. I see this execution as different, and to me, a significant line wherein the rule of law got crossed. In fact, about a year back or so, Al-Awaki in an interview denyed what the Obama administration was saying. Said they were wrong, that he didn't say the shit they were accusing him of. So I guess we'll never really know the whole truth as we took some unnamed cia officer(s) word on it, and they don't make mistakes, fortunately. And it's Obama that made the decision to pass on a court of law and just outright kill the man, and not that nasty Geo Bush or some other repub regressive, so it must be OK I suppose. He's never wrong either. You're right, this guy didn't need an appeal on the death sentence, someone said he deserved it, and they leaked it via press release to the media, so it must be true. He was tried and convinced in the media by unnamed accusers, he tried to run his appeal via the media .... This is change isn't it? Change for the worse. Some of you dudes argueing that the "republifucks" make you sick and the democrats rule totally cracks me up. Same same, scant difference. later!

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Move away from the bong sir.....

Nope, that's like comparing Tomatos and stinkbugs. Osama = NON US citizen and self proclaimed enemy combatant at war who actively murdered US citizens, claimed he was in process of planning more, and refused and rejected US justice. Al-Awaki = US citizen who was only shit talkin'. Thought crime so to speak. The constitution was made for examples like this. US proclaimed that they considered him a target and then proceeded 6 times to try and kill him. While this was going on, the kid tried to avoid all things US but the dad came to the US courts seeking redress and the Obummer administration did everything they could to squash it. The judge didn't want to go nationalal security as a reason but it was tossed as the dad "didn't have standing". The Clinton folks had a shitload of internal legal wrangling and attempt to be legally in the clear. They sought legal opinions from several sources. In the end, you had an enemy combatant who had taken up arms and was trying to murder US citizens. This administration has said that the rational for the murder of a US citizen with no judicial review or recourse, the legal rational they invented, is protected by national security. They are radically different things and circumstances IMO. I'm actually fine with the dickhead being dead, and the other dickhead as well - but this method of murdering him, given he hadn't actually taken up arms and wasn't planning an attack, is wrong. Legally, it goes against what our country is all about. Perhaps it will be found to be illegal at some point down the road, until then, be aware that the President now has the power of life and death via the ability to assassinate anyone and every one of us subjects. We have no recourse if it is a "claimed" national security issue, even if later it is learned to be a false one. As long as they get the press releases to read right and everyone believes them. If I could just let go and believe that every goverment press release that the media is printing is the gods honest and flawless truth nd they never make mistakes, I'd probably be fine. Therein lies the heart of the issue. http://news.yahoo.com/us-killings-yemen-good-politics-home-quagmire-abroad-170049177.html We have never been at war with Oceania. Never. In my mind, we need smaller goverment no matter if it is called Democrat or republican, and certainly less intrusive gov't as well. We need to stop being the worlds policemen and lead through example, not via a gun barrel. The way we are doing it, and borrowing to do it - so that your children will have to pay it back, is damned costly on many many levels. This is just one more.

To me Ivan, that line gets immediately crossed when folks in power make up shit as they go along merely cause its convineant to them. In this case, the Obama administration not only didn't press a court case, and this mouth breather could have been tried in absentee could he not, but they shut down the case the guys father brought to keep his kid alive. I feel we need to be careful and avoid these rough paths. Like what the Nazis did at the start of the war. They started moving terminally ill people into wards where they essentially got no care until they died. Which led them considering if they could treat a war veteran that way, how about someone lower in their estimation just taking up space like the Joos.... and to all kinds of craziness later. That is the line I think we just crossed, where we don't have to go to court to get rid of some lowlife, we can take some individual politicians pitch in the media as the gospel truth. True dat!

Well, Obama approved the executions of 2 US citizens who were not a direct threat and the government not only whacked them, but got the attempted Judicial review by the father squashed....that's significant change that we didn't even see from the most regressive neocons ever seen running a country anywhere on the planet (outside of Africa). I wonder what these liberals would have said if Bush and his cronies had been bold enough to have ordered the murder of 2 US citizens because they were getting mouthy and talkin' shit about the US? The administration didn't even make Kalid Sheik Mohammed Dickhead do anything but set a Guinness world record bobbing for apples, and he was NOT a US citizen and clearly complicit in directly murdering US citizens. Before he was elected, Obama promised to get due process involved with the Guantanamo prisoners, who are not even US citizens and are enemy combatants. Got "Progressive"? I'm willing to "change" back to letting the constitution be the law of the land like it had been since 1776. This new extra-constitutional Presidential power Barak gave himself coupled with expanding goverment all across the board when there isn't money to do it isn't the change I'd like to see. I'd rather change back to a half literate neocon from Texas than see any President be able to be judge, jury, and executioner with no recourse, this is a huge issue. I suspect folks like jb are secretly proud until they start to reflect and consider all the fascist appearances and big business-big money connections behind these murders by the new "progressive" state. Reverse progressiveness? How about this for a flag? ...and everyone needs a good letterhead, how about this below? That's my thoughts.

LOL. I'm sure they'd start working quickly once I either A) Hit the barista stand, or B) saw the next non-constitutional and illegal act our fearless leader(s) play.

No, he is saying that this is all Bush's fault. Duh. *Cough* Cough* LOL!

Youse guys are trying hard (and failing) to find something to get worked up over. Lets all go protest wallstreet or something like that which will actually DO some good. In fact, perhaps we specifically should protest Kodaks share performance and plunge? Perhaps they shouldn't have left the film developing and mfg business? We could protest that? We'll all buy a single share and crash the annual company meeting. Ivan can do the Gordon Gecko speech. Prole can be the Charlie Sheen dude. As this picture indicates, I'm feeling good here. We'llThe Israelis will be attacking Iran and gas prices will triple. I've got an ounce of gold bet that gas hits $5.00 an ounce by the end of 2012. Sometimes you have to go for win-lose. It's a win-lose bet no question. Let protest the bullshit that's about to erupt. Hmmm, not sure how to protest something non-existent.....Side note, don't let your kids join the navy. Air force is good. ohhh ohhh uhhh, here it is here it is.....how about we protest Guantanamo Bay incarcerations? .........Nah, who gives a shit - right? Well, you'll find something I'm sure. Keep up the good work fellas.

Congrats on the lil one growing up! Woot! Ditto what Ivan says on the pub clubs.