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That what will never change? Who you talkin too? You bet, and that arguement has been used quite sucessfully as well to show that the media can and should be restrained especially in their active depiction of violence, which is ruinous to society and has been proven to cause more violence. Nobody is saying that the media should be banned or regulated, rather that it should have the most eggresious abuses which they repeatedly display checked a little. To obsensiously tighten up and improve our society just a bit: only the most eggrious books should be banned. Maybe responsible people like yourself can register to check them out with a special permit after a background check. Not all books or all media. Remember that the biggest amount of people murdered via a domestic terroism act were not killed by guns anyway. By ideas picked up from the internet. That's what we learned from Tim McVey. He learned how to make a bomb. After all, don't you agree that only a criminal would object to having to register with the police or ask to keep them out of his house, and only unpatriotic Jews would refuse to register and wear the pretty yellow stars..... Right, what's the big deal? We can and should fix society so that we are all safe.

Please note that Jelf didn't ask you to discuss this endlessly like squirels in a tree. Jelf: Try this to start: tradgirl.com link But, for some areas - tricams SUCK. However, in some they rule. You need to look at what people are carrying near you when you climb. Here's my list of things I like (buy what you like and spend the extra cause whey buy it twice? (reposted) DMM belay devices and wired nuts HB offset and RP brass nuts Misty Mountain harness's (I have a Cadillac and a Sonic). Trango superlight lockers rule for small lockers Wild Country Heliums are the Lamborghinis of biners Dmm makes a great Munter style locker too which is very light so I try and have 1 or 2 on me. Aliens to Orange Offset Metolius TCU's and offset Aliens (later for you, don't worry about these now) BD Camalots from Green up. I also have the extended range Trangos which I like, but make sure they are cranked down when you stuff them in the cracks. Metolius cams in that sweet middle range too. (if you look at some of the BD "climbers" you often see Metolius cams on their racks, interesting no? Wild Country technical friends for the large sizes #2 Omega Pacific cams are great for people who don't climb a lot like moi. Shoes that fit. Trango shark and Ushba titanium nut tools Chouinard adjustable gear rack or Metolius double gear sling for carrying all that rack. Ropes: Lanex (called the Metolius Monster ropes now) are the best in the world, I love the feel, but don't want to pay that price. So I buy what's on sale and now have 4 or 5 good ropes from 9.1 -11 mil for various routes. When I started, I tried to buy the pieces which would accentuate my partners meager racks. We climbed on all nuts (with an occasional pin). You should consider those you are climbing with as well IMO. Yes I'm a gear whore. This doesn't even begin to describe it, I'd start with that stuff up there, try and see if you can find someone using it and see if you like it. Ask them what they like about it.... I have so much stuff I have not listed: Valley Giants, Toucans, grappling hooks, Big Bros, Leeper cams (love those), Aiders, Hammers, Rurps, hangers, bolts and bolting gear every piton made blah blah and more useless things than I can comprehend.....:-) My wife will have a hell of a yard sale when I die. _________________________________________________________________ Speaking of yard sales, you might just start here it's last gen stuff but so what, sell it when you've used it a few seasons and are ready to replace it, it was world class state of the art just a bit ago. (currently just posted in "gear sales", like 6-8 thread sdown the list): "These pretty much cover a full size range: Metolius FCU #10 $35 Forged Friend #3.5 $15 Forged Friend #4 $15 Black Diamond 2 (notc4) $30 Black Diamond .75(olderstyle) $25 Black Diamond .75(Brand New w/Tag, not c4) $40 Black Diamond .3 $30 HB FlexCams 0 $20 HB Flexcams 00 $20 also have 2 BD ATC $10 each All pieces are in good to brand new condition, have been well cared for, etc. I'd love to sell it all in one deal... email: tbrugh at u.washington.edu or PM" ______________________________________________________________-- Used gear deal link

ABSOLUTLY!

Newsweek, Time, US News and World Reports, The Economist, Fine Woodworking..... BTW, I'm not going to detail how seditious and counterproductive the press truly is as it would take wayyyyy too much time. Without a closet full of Glocks, a free press is easy to control. Think about it. The big point is, there is good with the bad on both of these forum agenda items/points of history and law. For me, I really would rather have a free press and weapons in every damn closet in the US, and the problems which come with both, than sacrifice my freedom for a small increase in "percieved" safety. But thats me. Some people use to argue that concentration camps were a positive benefit for society in Germany. And that's them. They were able to control the weapons, the press and the population using many of the arguements you all are using here. Freedom my friends, is not free. Freedom.

Thurs, 6pm Rocky Butte if it's dry. Maybe Birds, W - Rabbitt? OK Head count?

It could be sucessfully argued that it would be better to get the press under control. Great strides could be made in limiting the amount of copycats doing crazy shit once we get the 1st amendment overruled and forgotten as well/ the right of a "Free Press" to publish whatever the F*k they want wrecks havok on many levels and causes much unhappiness and social unrest. Add that to your list of things needed to pacify society and make it a more peaceful world in your march towards bliss.

sweet stuff dude.

The reform rate for Sexual crimes is very low. I noticed that the story said he was a "convicted sex offender ". Since he wasn't convicted this time, it's safe to say this is from a previous time. " Hinson was convicted of raping a 12 year old girl in 1991". Safe to say that for times like these, we as taxpayers should pony up additional money and keep jackasses like this locked up. Something which the jury was not probably exposed to. BUT, the system will try and find other ways to grind this jackass down and watch his ass. Story said: "He said they made up the story so they would be able to take drugs from the underground room, which he used to store marijuana." Any bets on how many years he gets for the marijuana charges?

I think that crack is called "Getting Schooled". The one to the left may be "Getting Tooled by Oly", and of course, the ever popular "Taun-Taun Direct". Grrrrrrrrr

Could that be the hot new Renton granite everyone is discussing?

I disagree with what I think you are suggesting for two reasons. (1) those gun people are full of dookie and they have blood on their hands, a lack of self-esteem, and I hate them - those little complainers (waah waah waah, the liberals want to take away our rights...) and (2) this an important issue that bears discussion even if it becomes a circular one. I think you just turned it into a circle. I'll re-read it.

I (almost) was having hot smokin sex with a young chick who was not my wife...God it was great. Then I woke up.

Uhhh, he just did.

"This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by ZUFFA,, LLC" Damn, not available. Maybe we have to watch Tookie Williams getting executed again or sumpin?

My wife just ran her motorcycle up onto the curb the other day barely missing the neighbors cars. She's still learning. I don't want to show her those images.

I thank you for the “you exemplify the "let's talk it out" approach crucial to democratic government” comment. I think that our system is one of the best in the world. There are plenty of faults, but I do not see a political system designed which I would rather live under. I have had many discussions with communists in the US who believe they can violently overthrow this system and once in power, they can make the US a paradise. However, they are sorely short of both details and real world examples when you press them on it. Pointing out the places this has been tried like the Soviet Union ad Cuba only angers them. I'd like you to reflect on this for a bit: lets imagine that historical moment of August 1974 wherein a president, caught breaking the law, deceided, under his own free will, to "resign the presidency effective tomorrow". Close your eyes and think of this. Imagine instead of that outcome, several possible other scenarios which might have existed with an unarmed population, but a still armed, political crony infested military, instead. Do you think that had he had the military support and the population had been unarmed (or regulated) some twisted Dick would have happily voluntarily stepped down for the public good, or instead perhaps he might have more likely pulled an ace out of the sleeve and declared an emergency, ala a North American junta with “Dick for Life” as a possible slogan. There are plenty of real world instances outside to the US of this very kind of thing actually happening, and not just discussing every other 3rd world country in sub-sarharan Africa and South America either. Think Weimar republic for instance, one of the most pure republics and fair political systems invented. Those with the guns get the power, as those in the Polish Ghetto later discovered. See Polish Ghetto mention above and we can discuss how that worked out for them; I can start dragging up many, many, many very similar instances. Here’s the bottom line for me Ivan: I trust you, I trust Fairweather, I trust everyone I personally know, much more than I trust politicians. I understand that many, many Senators and Congressmen are very altruistic and pure in their motives. They are hard working, smart and sacrifice so that the public good can be accomplished. They truly want what is best for the common good and for the country. However, it only takes one rat turd to stink up the sugar bowl, and if you look closely, you will see that the many of the types of people who are attracted to that kind of power repeatedly demonstrate things, which clearly show that they should not be trusted with it. They play subtle power games, trying to eliminate opponents and insert cronies to broaden their political strength. They repeatedly play petty power trips, which are at best only self serving and at worst ruinous to the majority of our country. All for their own little twisted power-play-mentality reasons. Think about the kind of politican I am describing and you can see them acting out for their own self interest in ways that still surprise and shocks normal people, were it not becoming so commonplace. I do not trust that kind of person. I trust the kind of people who would not want to seek that kind of power in the first place because they are normal. As a group, the kind who you know, love and work with for instance. The kind on this board. Think about the mindset which can draw a person into that kind of position. You want them to be in control of your life? I don't. I trust you, and the people I know. I do not trust them. It’s that simple.

It underlying true importance of ownership of guns weapons has nothing to do with self protection from Indians or Meth freaks or hunting Bambi. It is this single thing, of the highest importance in ALL of our lives, but like good health: not enjoyed until it is gone. So I will put it in bold for you all. POLITICAL FREEDOM Those who have the weapons get to make the rules. Period. I want that to be the people. PERIOD.

How very nice. Thanks for the help.

I've been tasked with buying the best color printer in the world. Like right now. Rather than cut into my F*ck off time, thought I'd just ask ya all. Pretty savy folks out there. I'm thinking $1000 limit on price though, and it would be nice to have low expense rate, and long lasting color. Help? What do you guys know about this? BTW, need 2 flat screen monitors too. 1 cheap and 1 high end. Thoughts?

I did not see any fish there. Possibly. I wonder if all file types are supported?

It's finally working, thanks

Again with the : "Sorry the file requested can not be found. Perhaps you have lost your way? Maybe you should of brought an MLU or a PLB." I'm gonna either put the metal in my mouth and kiss the sweet taste of cordite or go away for a while. Hmmmmm, easy choice. Bye bye.

"Sorry the file requested can not be found. Perhaps you have lost your way? Maybe you should of brought an MLU or a PLB." Sorry, resised it offsite and it still is unco-operative.

Error creating resized original! Command: "/usr/bin/mogrify" -quality 90 -geometry 1875x2500 '/home/climb/cascadeclimbers.com/plab/data/503/P1000449.jpg' Error code: 9 __________________________________________________ I'll try and resise it and re-upload.