billcoe

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"Then the Eiger birds start flocking in"

You make salient points Ivan. However, the unknown is would the Nazis had gone down that road at all if they had faced more than a unarmed, peaceful, non-resistance? ? Hmmm ? It is but one example of what I am discussing. The one with guns gets to make the rules. The rule in China is no dissent. Which would include arresting you for this very discussion (OK, maybe me, not you) or unfurling a banner with a few words on it requesting freedom. ___________________________________________________________ To anyone interested in the warsaw uprising and the handful of Jews who scrounged some weapons and held off the German army for a brief moment in time: "In the summer of 1942, about 300,000 Jews were deported from Warsaw to Treblinka. When reports of mass murder in the killing center leaked back to the Warsaw ghetto, a surviving group of mostly young people formed an organization called the Z.O.B. (for the Polish name, Zydowska Organizacja Bojowa, which means Jewish Fighting Organization). The Z.O.B., led by 23-year-old Mordecai Anielewicz, issued a proclamation calling for the Jewish people to resist going to the railroad cars. In January 1943, Warsaw ghetto fighters fired upon German troops as they tried to round up another group of ghetto inhabitants for deportation. Fighters used a small supply of weapons that had been smuggled into the ghetto. After a few days, the troops retreated. This small victory inspired the ghetto fighters to prepare for future resistance. On April 19, 1943, the Warsaw ghetto uprising began after German troops and police entered the ghetto to deport its surviving inhabitants. Seven hundred and fifty fighters fought the heavily armed and well-trained Germans. The ghetto fighters were able to hold out for nearly a month, but on May 16, 1943, the revolt ended. The Germans had slowly crushed the resistance. Of the more than 56,000 Jews captured, about 7,000 were shot, and the remainder were deported to killing centers or concentration camps." It may seem to you to be ancient history, but it is not. You are paying, with your taxes. to hunt down Nazis still, to this very day. In my opinion, many of you are much too trusting of people who have violated too many trusts to be trusted. I'll go with what the framers wanted to try and balance and check that power at least a bit, which may in fact make all the difference.

Ae you suggesting we are going to have to wait for dinner? Or can we just come over now? Planting a garden is a good feeling which unfortunately conflicts with my climbing time, another good feeling. I was out yesterday helping the wife dig weeds to prepare, I don't like that.

Are you stuttering?

I wanna wait to see how Kevbone answers this before I even try and take the question on. Not that I really understand what in the hell you're saying, but I've only read it 3 times so far.

There was a study which indicated a slightly higher level of prostrate cancer with those who had vasectomies, but it was later learned not to be accurate.

Not as fucking stupid as somebody who would bring that to the table. Screw you. If it makes you feel any better, I used the term "retarded" rather than "stupid." I guess I was edited or something. Well it does...thats too funny! You must have the PC thought police on yer ass Dt.

Not as fucking stupid as somebody who would bring that to the table. Screw you. These are deeply held beliefs which I feel very strongly about. I believe in letting others live as they see fit. That means nutjobs don't get guns, and if and when they do and they act up, they do not get second chances like the last jackass in Oregon who after getting out of prison for serving 8 years for murdering 2 women (when they caught him sexually molesting their son), then proceeded to murder like 4 or 5 more young adults after sexually molesting them(remember lil Adam from the back of the milk cartons?) and by his admission, sexually molested an estimated 75 more very young children whom he did not kill but would have like too. They probably would have let him live with another life sentance as there was a huge outporing of people who thought that this poor lost soul should get still another chance, except the dude stepped up, declared of those who wanted him to get a 2nd chance idiots, and proclaimed that he needed to be put down as he couldn't control it and would kill again.

First, agree only that nut jobs should be restricted. Fer sure. When I was up working at the VA Hospital, I worked with some Section 8s (ie "Nutjobz" in Ivan parlance) on and off here and there for almost 4 years. No arguement. Concerning the rest of your arguement. Nope. The oppression of subhumans was in full swing........note these 2 words: 2 words for the graduate. Warsaw Getto. Never forgive, never forget. Life free or die.

Did ya get out? How did it go? You got pics? I heard some of my buddies were out there - probably were tripping over each other. You meet Stan and Andrew? BTW, I'd have pics of my Sat. (including Jason and his lil boy) but Ujahan had the camera.

Any idea how that happened?

Not sure what you mean then. Certainly in Nazi Germany it did not mean "taking ALL the guns away". Wealthy landowners and party members still could own weapons. Now stop being so unreasonable and get in line for the showers.

Yes, it is a supersecret crag located just uphill from Stevenson Rock. Thanks for outing all of our awesome secret crags oly.

Fortunately, many countries, like China, have been able to increase their security and reduce this kind of thing by controlling who has weapons, what people can say, where they work, where they can go, and when they can go there. Very safe. "Fools", said I, "You do not know Silence like a cancer grows Hear my words that I might teach you Take my arms that I might reach you" But my words, like silent raindrops fell And echoed In the wells of silence" (Paul Simon)

Hello darkness, my old friend I've come to talk with you again Because a vision softly creeping Left its seeds while I was sleeping And the vision that was planted in my brain Still remains Within the sound of silence

Seahawks, your personal attack on Decristo not only adds nothing to the conversation, but forces it off track. China has been able to achieve the level of safety which many on this board desire. They do not want to move to China to become safe, they want that safety here and of the opinion that getting rid of public ownership of weapons will get them what they want. In my mind - with safety comes things like this. Here is a real example of how that is true. Those who have disagreement on this idea and shared facts have "Opinions " that these kinds of things wouldn't come to pass here, but they are only opinions. I'd like to see some facts from them. Here are some facts we are sharing with our brothers which bolster our viewpoint. Like your facts above. Like wfinley's facts. Facts make for a more fullfilling discussion than opinions. Personal attacks are of even less value than opinions.

Interesting that I was just ruminating on this fact yesterday. A dude from around here and some buddies decided to unfurl a banner (opps, free speech not allowed, nor are guns allowed in China) at Everest Basecamp, Tibet. They got lucky and only spent 15 days without regular sleep, food or water in a Chinese jail. The banner was only requesting freedom for Tibetians. It said "One World, One Dream, Free Tibet 2008" . Sorry, no guns: no free speech. Crime to think incorrect thoughts. news link

I misunderstood, my entire post up there had this one question: "Does this mean that the groundhog saw his shadow today? Err, I mean, knowing that you went to Beacon today to observe if there were birds and locate a nest, that you saw the birds nesting ?" Your reply was: It was your reply which started "Bill, no."... and then off to another subject which caused me to think you answered my question above about there being no birds. Had your reply to my question about sighting birds had been "Bill, Yes..." I would have understood it differently. Thanks for the clarification. BTW, forgot to say: thanks for both spending the time to confirm birds were present, but also giving us all a heads up the other issues as well.

I never congratulated you G-spotter. So here it is: Happy.... 1,000 2,000 3,000 4,000 5,000 6,000 7,000 8,000 9,000 10000 11000 12000 13000 14000 15000 16000 17000 18000 19000 20000 21000 22000 23000 24000 25000 26000 27000 28000 29000 and 30000 posts. Whew. If you have gotten a buck a post you'd be rich Dru.

As I was out today, it came to me that it seems like whats being said is that although there are no birds, the Dept of Fish and Wildlife guy is too busy to get to it to determine the acuracy of that: so deal with it and don't call the Beacon Rangers cause it's the fish and wildlife guys job and he's too busy to bother. It seems like a better standard would be to start the year by determining that there are birds at Beacon Rock, and where they are located. As opposed to closing it every year no matter what the true facts are. If there are no birds, which seems to be the case here, then it does not close.

Of course. But I do wonder where the birds went.

This may be why Dru (G-spotter) doesn't need it and derides it by calling it aid.

Does this mean that the groundhog saw his shadow today? Err, I mean, knowing that you went to Beacon today to observe if there were birds and locate a nest, that you saw the birds nesting ?

Sweet deal. I'm sitting here drinking coffee waiting for the dude right now. Just bought some watches off of steepandcheap and now I'm on CC.com. Ujahn, Oppie and I are heading out to the quiet points farther beyond of solitude to get some more remote laps. (Sorry Mike, won't see you today, maybe next time, but thank you).