billcoe

Thats crap, and incidentally what REI is copping too as well. Support those who support us. ClimbMax in PDX stocks the Yates, the new Metolius Safetech, Misty Mt and a bunch of others as well.

You are so welcome. I live for your happiness: (I say that to my kids to joke around:-) We should do it again. Start getting serious? Hey, wheres the TR from your husbands Mt. Hood (the "Everest of Oregon") climb BTW? I didn't see him on the news so it much have been OK. I hope it was a (good) dream come true for him.

Matt: I can empathise. My very first time in JT, I learned that in a flaring squeeze chimney, no matter how little pro you have in or how much you are about to grease out, do not use your head and face (this was before helmets) for a jamming device to catch your breath and try to pro the back of the chimney. Thats do not . Mythosgirl: That pic is proving again to me that sport climbing sucks. Damn that looks rash. Ouch. I was gonna show up on this thread and talk about last weekend where I still have thorns from blackberry bushes stuck under my fingernails...festering...making typing and climbing difficult but I got nothing on your folks. (hey Dru, that damn athletic tape on my hands saved my life, you try doing vertical while simutaniously trying to sweep blackberry bushes away as the dirt patch you are on is melting away). Geeze, you cripples take it easy hey? (BTW Rad, how much did ya get for the kidney?)

Sorry, if a picture says a thousand words, this is really what I meant about this subject.

If you are still ignorant with the plethora of information available and the endless arguments that have been postulated over and over and over and over and over and over - then it must be that you are just too damn stupid to ever figure it out. This arguement is so old and so beat..... So can you explain why anyone should even bother trying now? What a total friggan pointless waste of time that would be. Have a nice day! Bill

Sometimes and usually when the sky just opens up and it dumps a cold hard rain right down your back and soaks you clear through, it is difficult to see a good side to that bullshit at all. Yet in a short time, the sun is out with flowers everywhere, and life is sweet and everthing smells fresh and great again if you just hold on..... It will get good again for you K: just hold on and the flowers will come out again for you too. __________________________________________________________ This very thought has kept me from squeezing the trigger a couple of times, I hope you can use it as well.

Climb Max rules! Yeaaaaaaa. Looks like if we can work this right, what with the free food and beer at the crossfitheil- no one will have to cook this weekend: BUT the crossfit dudes are doing it at 2pm, which is sadly prime time...

Hi Bri: should have come tonight it was just Geoff and myself. (U said he might get tucked into work, but I usally don't believe that when i hear it). See you next week then.

Of couse, and don't be so damn polite Geoff, it's painful and clashes with the way the rest of us assholes talk on this site. see you up there

Holy shit, when Ben mentioned doing Arches he didn't say free solo. Damn. I thought that other stuff was amazing anyway. Ben rules. Avitrip, that some awesome shit. If you have a bit of free time, I'd like to see the full meal deal on West Face of El Cap. What you took for pro, how early you woke up, did you fix 2 pitches via aid or free and then toss your aiders down....the whole show! Shit nice stuff, thanks for sharing it!

And this surprises you why?...............

Agreed. Since so many people seem to hate this bastard so much, I think the nutz smashing idea is now a justified plan of action. Come on dudes.....

I'll be there with Ujhon, time is about right, but I want to give some time to rwmwrtr at some point to show her the traverses on top. Don't have my cell with me though. How about emotional rescue and the 5.11 to the East of it if it's just us 3. ?

What no "long walks on the beach"?

When a still wind consipres an armor...... _________________________________________________________ Sorry-I missed it. I want it tomorrow for sure. Anyone?

me me me me me I do I do I want too!(waving hand frantically) but might have to work.... Where will you be or what routes are you thinking?

Discuss? ____________________________________________________________ "ACLU: Boeing Offshoot Helped CIA May 30, 10:22 AM (ET) By PAT MILTON NEW YORK (AP) - The American Civil Liberties Union said Wednesday it is suing Jeppesen Dataplan Inc., a subsidiary of Boeing Co. (BA), claiming it provided secret CIA transportation services to shuttle three terrorism suspects overseas, where they were tortured. The cases involve the alleged mistreatment of Binyam Mohamed, an Ethiopian citizen, in July 2002 and January 2004; Elkassim Britel, an Italian citizen, in May 2002; and Ahmed Agiza, an Egyptian citizen, in December 2001. Mohamed is currently being held in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba; Britel in Morocco; and Agiza in Egypt, the ACLU said in a statement. Details of the claims were to be released later Wednesday at a news conference. Calls and e-mails to spokesmen for Chicago-based Boeing and Englewood, Colo.-based Jeppesen, a subsidiary of Boeing Commercial Aviation Services, on Wednesday morning seeking comment were not immediately returned. The lawsuit, which the ACLU said it would file Wednesday in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California, charges that Jeppesen knowingly provided direct flight services to the CIA that enabled the clandestine transportation of the men to secret overseas locations, where they were tortured and subjected to other "forms of cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment" under the agency's "extraordinary rendition" program. "American corporations should not be profiting from a CIA rendition program that is unlawful and contrary to core American values," said Anthony D. Romero, executive director of the ACLU. "Corporations that choose to participate in such activity can and should be held legally accountable." The Bush administration has insisted it receives guarantees from countries receiving terror suspects that prisoners will not be tortured. The lawsuit involves a branch of the company called Jeppesen International Trip Planning, which the ACLU calls a "main provider of flight and logistical support services for aircraft used by the CIA in the U.S. government's extraordinary rendition program." The ACLU said its lawsuit was being filed under the Alien Tort Statute, which permits aliens to bring claims in the United States for violations of the law of nations or a United States treaty. It said the statute recognizes international norms accepted among civilized nations that are violated by acts such as enforced disappearance, torture and other inhuman treatment. " Link

My question is: What do you stand for?

Huh? Is this one of those things that define a person's unhappiness in that no matter where ya go, you are still there? Welcome back,.....I think....

5.9? NFW! Looks at least 11 something and difficult to pro or stop while you're hanging on too. I must be missing sumptin cause there are no obvious footholds in the pic once you move off the rest you're on, and the crack looks too big for my lil fists, and it looks overhanging...I'm peeing myself looking at the pic...... Damn it sure looks like you folks had a good trip, perfect weather!

John: What route and whats the rating? Great Pic BTW! If the next one had the rack and your face as you were plugging in the pro, that would be tops. Is that a #5 camalot size? Damn.....cahone shrinkage just lookin at it.

Holy crap, that might be a Guiness record as well Jim. You might consider checking into the weight loss contest as you might have a big edge on the rest of those folks! Nice to see you guys doing such a super public service, we all thank you. I almost couldn't believe how much moss had grown on the start there. Wow! Must be global warming and global rainig or something.

I just got back from Climbaxe buying my Acopas. Sorry Zimzam, they don't have the JBs yet. They have 3 other models but they are priced well. Anyhow, my point is this: if you wear an 8-1/2 sized shoe and like LaSportivas, they have a shoe made by one sport (which also makes shoes for LaSportiva evidently) for ...............drumroll please................. thhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............ $30.00 Thats right, for $30, less than the price of a full resole you get a classic trad shoe (laces, fits nice). Solid quality made in Italy. The catch? They only have mens 8 and 8-1/2 left. 41-41.5 euro _________________________________________________________ So I got the JB Chamelians and a paid of $30 shoes too. I would highly recommend NOT trying to guess your size and buy the Acopas. EVERY other climbing shoe I've ever worn is size 8-8-1/2. The Acopas are size 9-1/2. And still almost too tight. They have 30 pairs of this $30 shoe....but I would expect them to sell well, so don't fall asleep and think they will be there when you get off yer ass, buy em now and toss them in the closet for when yours fall apart. If you live in Portland, this is the deal of the century...these are real nice shoes. Zim Zam, if you still want the number....heres the info: Contact Us Toll Free Number: (800) 895-0048 Local Number: (503) 797-1996 between 10 am and 7 pm PST Monday through Friday Email: websales@climbmaxmountaineering.com Address: Climb Max Mountaineering, LLC 928 NE 28th Ave. Portland, OR 97232 I lifted that from the Pagan Gear site: maye one of the owners has a web business. Sorry to be so ignorant. But they're good folks. Here's the web link: Pagan Gear

He certainly has corn.....

damn overdue too. I'll probably get a pair this weekend