billcoe

Sweet! Didn't Todd Skinner have one of those prototypes? BTW, the price to get that stuff made in China would shock all of you. There is no financial reason to stay in N America, even Mexico costs are higher. China quality will be equal or better to what you can get here if the company is careful. BTW, you can buy "North Face" branded stuff all over in China, Nepal, Asia - everywhere over there. However, if you look closely, only a small portion of it is actual North Face brand. Most are done in someones basement factory or quonset hut with a dirt floor and get a North Face logo tag slapped on it for a finale before they kick it out the door. North Face does a respectable job of keeping counterfeits out of the US, but you can find that crap all over Asia. Complaining about the poor quality of a counterfeit seems like complaining when that $1.00 DVD of the brand new movie, which is still in the theaters in the US and still unavailable on DVD, has the black silhouette of some guys head pop up and move right across the screen on the way to the popped rice concession- during the movie. I saw that on "Simpsons the movie" my son got from one of his buddies traveling back from Malaysia (buddy did pay a buck for it) and it was the first indication that I was watching a pirated movie. Anyone see the down coat I was wearing at Jimmys the other night? Sewn in my own house. Frostline kit over 25 years old and still going strong. The girlfriend, now wife, watched me struggle to make the hood for @ 2 weeks and offered put me out of my misery and to do the coat. She sewed it in a day or so. It was a good business model for the time. The idea was that you did the work yourself and saved on the (US) labor, which, as we had ideological issues which rolled over into trade issues (embargo) no Chinese labor or goods were available and India didn't have the infrastructure as well. History of Frostline Regards all: Bill

oughta be clear, dry and cold as neptune's cock - enjoy! As cold and dry as Grandmas crack on tax day?

Fer sure HOR! BUT, Middendorf talks about doing this, and the fall tweaked his back so bad that he could barely walk after his jump, and his back still is ruined to this day evidently. So, in the video where the fella jumps wayyyy out...that gets him an oblique, swinging angle that results in less force on the rope and the body. I think doubling the rope and using 2 static lines or webbing for an anchor, having the rope get a clear shot to the ground and not be over an edge like he has, along with an oblique jump angle...say a swing instead of a slam, would be things to keep in mind and look at. The effect of doubling up the climbing rope would be to increase the impact force ....not desirable. Also, different mfgs ropes have better (or worse) elongation/impact force numbers...something to keep in mind. Also, Dannos #1 concern was that the rope could wrap around his neck (or another body part) and kill him...so body position as you jump relative to where the rope is would be one of the prime concerns as your feet clear the span. Having spotters paying attention to all these details and double checking everything would be helpful as well I'd think. Bryan (Powderhound) might be back in town this summer and maybe we can set up a jump off his bridge. We can call that "Stupidity with a climbing rope part 2" or something equally witty:-)

I saw that Garmin had the National parks on 1/24000 scale (but it costs $100 extra on top of what one is already paying for the unit). Furthermore, I rarely (cough*never*cough) get to those places any more. 99 percent of what I want it for is within 60 miles from town where the better topo resolution isn't available. Have you had any success using the National Geographic maps with the Garmin? I understand that after wandering all over hell and back, you can then upload your trip to those NG 1/24000 maps to at least better see where you've been. I don't know if I need more than that. I mean, it might be nice to have great topo resolution on the unit so as to not walk over cliff, but since that's never happened and I never needed a GPS for that kind of thing before and just used my eyeballs: I don't even know if I need the better maps on the unit like the Delorme has. It looks like Garmin put in the national park 1/24000 topo software in them. Which does me no good at all. Looking at paying extra for this piece of sh*t Garmin software looks out of the question: Read some of these reviews to see what you are missing. Reviews are all over the board. GArmin topo software for GPS unit link Here's a dude who blogs about the Delorme unit, check out these Geotagger screen shots he posted. Chads blog Takes a pic (separate camera) and it gets linked to the topo position you mark. It looks like the Garmin units look to have Noaa maps separate, while this Delorme thing comes with them. I use to sail, and might find myself once again doing that if I get an injury climbing. Still looking....but as anyone who has ridden in my car will tell you, I have the paper topo books that Delorme makes for Washington and Oregon in there all the time, tucked behind the passenger seat (pretty crude resolution and hard to see with my old eyes) however, they have been quite helpful. They've been doing topos a for a long time. Here's a link to dudes talkin about the Delorme, they are soliciting advice on updating and correcting errors their maps and their units as well. Which I find reassuring. Delorme online forum It would be cool to get some of these units and try them out first. Delorme has a 30 day trial with a return for full refund policy....but I'll probably still just wait the month and see what the Colorado units have when they come out. Like you say, it isn't about the money. The Colorado looks to have a much larger screen, and thats something I could really use as I never take reading glasses to the woods and wouldn't want to start now. Thanks for all the advice.

OMFG! ouch!

I think that the Metolius 7.8mm 1/2 ropes are the lightest 1/2 rope out there. I used them rockclimbing in Red Rocks recently and the things were great. I think that the tufted rope marking system they have kicks ass too. At the end of a long route, your quads will be thanking you. Metolius 7.8mm UIAA falls: twin 16, half 6 weight: 38 g/m sheath slippage: 0 max. impact force: twin 8.5 kN, half 5.7 kN elongation: twin 7%, half 8% certification: UIAA, CE, EN 892 Beal 8.6mm * Excellent balance between weight and durability * Low impact force / high falls sustained * Weight per meter: 48 g * Impact force: 5.10 kN * Number of UIAA Falls: 16 * Sheath slippage: 0 mm * First fall elongation: 35 % * Static elongation 11.5 %

I fully agree Billcoe Ha ha! How did you know what I was thinking?!

Or a monster jackalope

They say that kind of think is generally a thankless task. I'll try to not make it so. Thank you.

That was nice. Melissa, sorry, but no one took any pictures...... ___________________________________________________________________ Here are some internet representations I found just surfing around to fill in instead. Again, these are only generalizations and representations found on the internet. I've never met any of those people and they weren't there. No one really got sick...and Paris Hilton really wasn't there. Sigh.... Will try and remember a camera next time.

Hi Justin, thanks for posting. Yeah, when it gets vile and nasty out, it's almost unbelievable how the wind can drift you away and push you sideways and off course despite following a compass bearing. Glad things worked out. I saw that your partner had posted on this thread about the experience. Link Bigtree, Holy crap, I just saw the price for that Garmin with the topo: $559.99 !!!! Damn thats heavy scratch! Especially if you only wind up with a 1/100,000 scale topo map. It makes the Delorme, with 1/24,000 equivalent topos look like a bargain (despite the use of the last gen chips for satellite acquisition). Link to Amazon page for the Delorme unit

Nice find Bigtree. It looks like the 400t would even be better for just woods wandering. Of course you'd still be using the 1/100,000 scale maps Garmin has. Unless you uploaded it to the National Geographic topo maps.

Ouch. That sucks. thanks for the heads up. what wud happen if, as your car was going by by, you walked in and ordered a Taco? and kept the reciept. Could you small claims them for the $164 or whatever it was?

My son and I have a contest going right now to see who can play music louder...I'm winning..no one beats Robin Trower with Euro-tecnotrash ...........livin in a sea of evil. Evil of love....da da da da da whoo hho hohh dadadada.........

Oh dude, ETHICS? do you realise that you are on Cacadeclimbers! No problem Bill, apology accepted. ha ha! _______________________________________________ -huh- .....wait... HOR?....... Never mind, I've met lots O HORS smarter than me, after all, they're the ones gettin the money eh!?

NAU NAU NAU DUDE, TOO CONFUSING OF A WEB SITE!

I've already bin drinkin' I'd like to pre-apolgise for offending folks. Aoohhh FU(K ALL OF YA!

Way to drive home how I am under the poverty level….. No way that salary is poverty level. Be a great job for some folks I would think. Someone who loves to climb and be around climbers for instance. Thanks for posting it here Shawn, good luck with filling the position.

I think that I saw that bumper sticker.

Of course.... it held Geoff didn't it?

Simple, the easy answer Ken: (William Carlos Williams already covered this, so I'll just copy him. "so much depends upon a red wheel barrow glazed with rain water beside the white chickens." _____________________________________________________________ BTW: Did anyone else catch that up there in Jh's post? Looked like a hint that monitoring help may be appreciated? Or am I reading into that? JH? what say? You do a lot of cold lonely work out there....?

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I want to hear that story at Jim's Friday night before the movie, but after you've had 4 or 5 beers:-0 BTW, I don't know if you remember me pointing to a scrawny lil tree and saying - thats my rap ring up there....in pulling this from another thread, I need to correct my poor memory and say...thats my 2 biners up there on that scrawny tree:-) story from the other thread:

Link to Moofs post I wanted to toss this out there for any one looking at Fish Products Russian Aid trees, but unable to get the cuffs. I got a pair recently and they look great. Can't wait to do some aiding in them as they are purportedly better and easier for steep aid. This is the kind of thing you need to strike while the iron is hot, as Sean may figure that it's not worth the trouble, or he gets busy with something else tomorrow.