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Ain't worth dying over. Folks left your stuff up there in case you want to check it out later yourself, if you want it pulled off now just say and one of us can take care of it. Here's some that might work for you Jon: I have a ground up story from the Ozone. There's probably a reason it's called "Ground up" if looking at my arm then was an indication. I have a route name for you already "After the Fall". Sort of a "Flying Dutchman" variation:-) You can ask Jim on that one. Here ya are bra, hope this helps for the PP presentation.

there's gonna be some happy climbers when they get their gear back...."

How about a trip report to get folks to nashing their teeth:-) GRRRRRRRR.

Wishing you folks well and I hope you get it all back. ps, I see you list Montrose, Colo as an address. I lived in Paonia for a bit. Hopefully you never ran into my cousin, Tommy Sandifer: highway patrolman he's out of Montrose as well. Some of my relatives come from over there. Great Grandpa Hammond was a friend of Chief Ouray and got some of his stuff when he passed away, and some of my other relatives traveled that road past Montrose back when the military had first put it in @ 1880 or so, I was reading the letters while back I don't remember the exact date. Great Grandpa Sandifer was born during the civil war in Kentucky and rather than continue to starve and eat grass and other poor forage they moved west, he had lived in Paonia from @1869-1870 until 1966 when he passed away. Lots of Sandifers and Hammonds running around over there.

I might have dream't it. Didn't you say you knew someone who climbed it?

Still there!? Well, Kevbone had posted that he knew someone who had driven over and climbed it, so at least the route is seeing some action. Obviously not everyone is outraged. Then bone pulled the post. Maybe too controversial to admit something like that I guess. Could be the villagers were heading over to burn the monster but saw a beer tent and took a left turn and forgot about it?

I think he's adding 10 more feet to an existing route so he can bag the FFA "sit start variation":-) I bet a sketch from you would be more interesting than most of my pictures Marcus!

FW, you have Joseph wrong on the Neocon=Jewish=racist tag. I don't believe he has a racist bone in his body. Neocon to him only means neo, as in NEW-conservative. A philospohy. Here is a link to a definition you can use but you can skip the controversial Jewish hater charge for JH as it doesn't apply outside of what is best for the country. For JH I'm sure it's about the U.S., and what is best for US. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservative Don't know why you bring up that idea to somehow reduce his ideas to not being worthy of thought. Wolfowitz should be included in that as his writings, thoughts and philosophy often steered the admins actions. JH's first sentence, ie, that the admin had a plan and 9/11 gave them justification to act on it, seems obvious enough to the rest of us. BTW, I think Lincoln was/is way overrated, and as far as FDR goes, don't forget that his breaking of the law to get material support to our allies before the war both ultimately got us involved and possibly in the end (arguably) saved our country. Plans recovered from Germany after the war had the US included in the military invasion/grand plans of the 3rd Reich. So I see Reagan/Bush doing the Iran-Contra thing, and although it pisses me off, the FDR (being right) comparison keeps me from being too judgmental. We often do not know 1/2 of what is really going on until many many years later, if at all.

Come on, someone must have gotten out and done something this weekend, bring it! Phil Guidotti on some route prep work with a shovel. Around these parts sometimes you have to dig to see rock:-)

Very skillful stack job there FWG!

Man, it's only been a few years and I'd already forgotten most of those adventures I'd used as examples back in 2006! I just saw Bob (regular partner of 25 years who stopped climbing 8 years ago due to balance issues) the other day and someone came over as we were bs*ing and said to him, "You're Bob? Andrew says you're the guy to have next to you when the shit hits the fan". I said: as I flashed right back to that vertical ice example up above there and Bob stubbornly refusing to belay me until we discussed the whole thing: "He is, he always bailed my weak ass out!' That time Bob had talked me into turning around and of not getting on that one (I still don't understand the drive I had then to get up the thing so bad so many years later, but I do still remember the intensity of wanting to fire that pitch of ice right there even now, 30 years later). Bob's wisdom then undoubtedly saved us from an epic or worse. Shortly into what would be a long descent, the wind and the horizontal ice pellets and whiteout thing started up...then it got dark with many miles yet to go, even following the footsteps of the person right in front of you became difficult as they filled up so fast....

F*em, they didn't know if these guys would come stumbling down after a 2 night out epic on the Mt without their sleeping bags and barely make it to the cabin in a comatose/hypothermic near death state and these pricks stole their sleeping bags? That could easily kill someone at the wrong time. It's why they use to hang horse thieves, without a horse in the backcountry you were pretty much screwed, usually the water was draped over the saddle horn and your sleeping stuff over the back as well. Hey wageslave: would there be a place or a way they could anonymously drop off the journal, or all your stuff, if they read this and feel guilt? How about Mazama clubhouse or someplace generic so you don't have to give out an address.

...and just left them?

I think that spray as a thread is generally overdone. Works great for political debates though.

Well, most sport climbers are nerdy skinny and sick strong and can pull those skinny bodies up with 1 arms. So if that's what they are doing for conditioning, count me in. However, I was only able to choke down watching it until @ 1:10 when the octave went up, and I threw up a little in my throat and had to turn it off. Here's a much better one: Link to Climbing Video Thanks for sharing, the one I linked is much better.

Huh? I can still watch it here: LINK Climbing Video

Make sure that your sports drink is the correct one. Turns out, in this scientific test, Gatoraid will cause a rope to break. [video:myspace]http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.channel&ChannelID=449107031 's OK, the guy walks it off.

Wow! Nice to see 3 of the more intellectually honest powerhouses seriously raising the bar on discourse (STP, Joseph and Jayb). I'll read it all, but feel that weighing in right now would be akin to stepping into the ring with 3- 26 year old dudes for a Ultimate fighting championship match with all 3 champions at once: heavyweight division of course. Great to watch, but why step in and get all ripped up! My mama didn't raise no fools... ps, very deep and thoughtful points raised on that link STP. Thanks!

HI John! Glad to see you up and about. I didn't have your number, but should you need anything, ride, magazine etc etc, please don't hesitate to ask. Hopefully you're all healed or heading that way, and will be out and about soon. If you get totally bored, I'm getting out to the gun range some these days, in fact, just came back and finished cleaning my pistols moments ago and will smell like gun oil all night I suspect, so if you need something to do while you heal, speak up as guests are fine out there. I'm stocked up in case the Zombies do attack, but it's nice to be able to put a hole where you want. Kyles already been coming out and schooling me on how to shoot. Let me know if you need anything at all and I'll be there for you.

Arkansas proudly presents the Clinton quarter in honor of the former President and Arkansas Governor. _____________________________________________________ And now for some climbing pics. Jim Opdycke on the new route called the Drop Zone which we are cleaning at the Far Side area. We expect the bolts for the rap anchor to be just to the left of Jim's Helmet. Random newt Jim Opdycke standing on 2 feet of dirt and blackberry bushes about to get displaced at the Drop Zone Ledge at the Far Side area. Feb 21st 2009 Ciao baby

I'm convinced that the Government only understands the first part of that equation. They spend it. They generally are unconcerned with "Making" it unless it gets printed on a machine. The reality is this is uncharted territory. I don't think anyone really knows WTF or where to go or how to go about it. Certainly the last crew steered straight for the reef in the shoals trying to scoop out the last fish -then they stepped away from the tiller and said: "Here, sucks to be you, but good luck we're out of here". Read this - http://www.forbes.com and if it doesn't send chills down your spine, consider this little nugget which got overlooked in that article. The treasury doesn't expect to be able to sell all that issuance, so they will be one of the larger buyers of the T-Bills. Hmmmm, think about that.... then run to convert your dollars into Yuan.

Rob, for the last 8 years stronger legal minds that us have looked at these issues and declared them to NOT be torture. Take it up with them. For myself, Rob, I like the idea of not using any of that shit, but yet having that available, in ultra-rare emergency's only like the Obama admin appears to be wisely trying to head LIKE I ALREADY SAID. This is the story I was referring to Trash. Whether they could have gotten and leveraged the info out of the hard drive to obtain more info that could have stopped the plane hijackings is open for a long debate. I was only using it for an example, certainly the law enforcement types are claiming they HAVE stopped actual terrorist attracts and good intel from lots of sources is one reason. Some say yes, they could have stopped the hijackings. I can't say. Certainly law enforcement was calling Zacarias Moussaoui "the 20th hijacker" back then, and had your buddy Jack Bauer been involved, I'm sure he would have kicked ass. Link to 9/11 Hijacker story The full story, which I believe to be acurate, is this: "Reno Reprimand Prompted FBI's Caution on Moussaoui Posted on Tuesday, May 28, 2002 9:22:30 AM by kattracks Misleading FBI affidavits submitted during the Clinton administration to a secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court resulted in the court's sharp reprimand of Attorney General Janet Reno, in an episode that likely contributed to the FBI's later reluctance to approve a search warrant application for the laptop computer of "20th hijacker" Zacarias Moussaoui. In the fall of 2000, the seven judges on the surveillance court ordered Reno to appear in their secure courtroom, the New York Times reported Monday. "The judges, in a letter signed by Chief Judge Royce C. Lamberth, had complained to her of a serious breach. Misleading affidavits had been submitted to the court, which approves warrants to eavesdrop on people suspected of being foreign agents or international terrorists." Attorney General Reno acknowledged to the judges that the problem was "serious," the Times said. The problem affidavits had been prepared by Michael Resnick, who is described by the paper as the F.B.I. supervisor in charge of coordinating the surveillance operations related to Hamas. Resnick's track record with affidavits in terrorism cases was so bad that the court told Reno it would no longer accept applications for search warrants and other surveillance requests that he prepared. The court's reprimand in the Hamas cases prompted then-FBI Director Louie Freeh to review surveillance applications for various al Qaeda suspects, where he uncovered similar problems. As a result of the affidavit problem, Reno turned Resnick's case over to the Justice Department's Office of Professional Responsibility, short-circuiting his career at the FBI, where he had previously been described as a "rising star." The episode prompted the bureau to adopt a "play-it-safe" approach when it came to seeking information on terrorists like Moussaoui, according to intelligence sources interviewed by the Times. In a 13 page letter delivered last Tuesday to FBI Director Mueller and the House and Senate Intelligence Committees, Minneapolis agent Coleen Rowley complained that a midlevel manager at FBI headquarters in Washington blocked her office's attempts to secure the Moussaoui search warrant. "She said that the headquarters supervisory agent had perceived that pressing the application for the warrant was an unnecessary career risk," the Times reported, drawing a parallel with the Resnick case. While Rowley has not specifically named the person who she says blocked the Moussaoui warrant, Senators Pat Leahy, D-Vt., Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, and Arlen Specter, R-Pa., have identified David Frasca as in bureau official responsible. "

Damn Joe, you have about 3 of the top current Cascade chossmasters posting in awe on this very thread and you still want to head up there? My hats off to you buddy. The funny part is that when you put your pic up there my eyes went right to that line you later drew in. I whipped out (hey hey -quit that) my Dods book, and it's not in there. So next, I pulled out (stop that!) I got out my Jeff Thomas book and he avoids that just like most sane people would. Next step is to ask Jeff directly. He's just gotten back into climbing after @ 25 year hiatus and as he knows everything about everything and is currently doing the Mazama's Museum: he's probably one of the go-to guys to ask on this. I bet Bob Jensen or Steve Strauch or someone like that did this route in the 70's, but still, it looks like a worthy line to at least recon at the base and look up with binocs. I have some 1/2-13 x 7" Stainless Wedge Anchors in my basement right now, and can get the longer ones much cheaper than the $12 in Josephs link. I don't think you can bag it in a single pitch, and the line doesn't appear to be continuous. In my experience, every time I see something in the gorge that looks relatively easy, it never is....just go do the "Easy" 5.4 on Pillar of Hercules just down the way from your picture first if you need or want a quick and easy demo of that principle. I own every piece of gear known to man and suspect that what appears to be a standard crack is in fact most likely an offwidth. I'll head up there with you and anyone else to check it out (or at least stare up longingly form the base:-) . Not this weekend as Sat I'm climbing, and not Sunday as it's suppose to snow Sat night and I need to get some Skiing in so as not to feel wuss-like.

When one has a birthday cake like this, it's too late for naked pictures. Revel in your youth while ya have it I guess!

...And the correct answer Alex is "crank".