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Hard to argue against that Scott, so I won't, but it's also hard to argue with folks who vote against this kind of rough treatment by NOT buying Kellogg products. Besides, everyone knows swimmers are party animals. If they tossed off all the high school kids who I personally knew who drank (some smoked out as well) at after swim meet parties, the pools would be empty. That doesn't mean you can't yell at them when you catch them doing it (like Kelloggs is doing here) : that's what I did to my daughter when she swam. It's all about choice. If they want to they can toss him aside like a used Kleenex as a spokesman just like Patagonia did Dean Potter, it's their money. I don't have a big problem either way myself. I can understand their position. I also appreciate the company's that stay loyal as well. Consumers can, and will, choose how they feel about all this as well. It does seem like rough treatment, a bit over the top. IMO Pot should not be illegal, nor should prostitution - we waste millions of dollars of resources on prosecuting and incarcerating otherwise good people who are harming no one.

Chalk dust is bad for your lungs. Banz it BANZ it!

Short version, the Hot Chicks, not use to losing anything but their virginity, lose. http://www.thesmokinggun.com ""Douchebags" Lawsuit Dismissed New Jersey judge dumps defamation claim filed by three "Hot Chicks" FEBRUARY 10--A New Jersey judge has dismissed a defamation lawsuit filed by three women whose photos appeared in the book "Hot Chicks with Douchebags." In an amusing February 6 opinion, Superior Court Judge Menelaos Toskos ruled that author Jay Louis's 2008 book was "replete with obvious attempts at satirical humor," and that the inclusion of the women's photographs were "used for humorous social commentary." Toskos, who reported that he "carefully scrutinized" the Simon & Schuster title, pointed to several passages showing that the book was obviously satirical. "For example," Toskos wrote, "how can a person reasonably believe that in 1981 archaeologist Renee Emile Bellaqua uncovered in a cave in Gali Israel a highly controversial Third Century religious scroll suggesting that the "douchey/hotty" coupling was a troublesome facet in early social religious structures?" The 60-year-old jurist also questioned whether a reasonable person could "believe that Jean-Paul Sartre stated 'man is condemned to be douchey because once thrown into the world he is responsible for every douchey thing that he does.'" Last October, Yvette Gorzelany, Joanna Obiedzinski, and Paulina Pakos sued over their appearance in the "Douchebags" book (the women had been photographed in mid-2007 while clubbing at Bliss Lounge in Clifton). As seen below, Obiedzinski (left) and Gorzelany are pictured in Louis's book with a man representing the "Federbag" subspecies of douchebag. A photo of Pakos is included in a chapter offering men various "de-douchification" tips. " (11 more clickable and interesting pages follow)

Maybe the thing to do is to also support those who stuck with Michael Phelphs? As of last August: A look at Michael Phelps' sponsors Posted 8/18/2008 4:29 PM Here's a look at the sponsors of American swimmer Michael Phelps, according to his agents. They declined to specify the value of the deals. Speedo USA - maker of swimsuits, a licensed brand of the Warnaco Group Inc. Visa Inc. - the credit card company Omega - luxury watchmaker that is a unit of Swatch Group AG Hilton Hotels Corp. - hotel chain FIND MORE STORIES IN: Internet | Switzerland | Michael Phelps | Octagon | Kellogg Co | Omega | Frosted Flakes | Nestle SA | Eggo | PowerBar | PureSport | Cheez-Its PowerBar - nutrition bar made by Swiss chocolate maker Nestle SA. AT&T Inc. - communications provider Kellogg Co. - maker of Frosted Flakes, Cheez-Its and Eggo waffles Rosetta Stone Ltd. - language learning software maker PureSport - sports performance beverage, made by Human Performance Labs SwimRoom.com - Internet site for swimmers Source: Sports and entertainment marketing company Octagon. However, I look bad in a speedo and don't need the other stuff. I guess I could start dringing PureSport.

That and the parents need to keep better watch over their kid. They couldn't see a condom on the floor? They didn't see him pick it up till he was done gargling the jizz? Yuk! That's disgusting. Wonder if it's like the mouse in the coke bottle thing, where people were putting them inside to make a buck off Coke until Coke started suing and prosecuting them. Then it just stopped like that. Hope the police do a DNA test to eliminate that possibility.

That's too bad. Dubai has been a normal country and friend of the US in a region full of questionable countries. I'd seen the stories where they'd had to curtail their ambitious building plans as oil prices have dropped, looks like a big double whammy due to the credit markets as well. Real estate story: Link Jayb: as you were the only one around here who consistently put your money where your mouth was on overvalued real estate prices due for a downturn, I'd be greatly interested in what you see in your crystal ball going forward based on current news (stimulus package, fed interest rates near 0, etc etc) Plus, what do you think of storing some money in a foreign currency to offset a potential dollar drop?

I don't recognize the shotgun, it looks classic for sure: but it looks like dinner is at your house! Good looking dog. Part of the master race I'll bet. todays news PETA dresses up like KKK

Here you go: Here they are. Thank you for the huge contribution! I never got to climb with Don, but I did with many people that he introduced to the game at Clackamas CC, including my current main partner Ujahn. They all, without exception, were very skilled for the amount of time they had been climbing, a testament to Dons skill as a teacher.

They're called Beavertails and are a common sight on classic 1911 style .45s although they've been adapted to others pistols. They serve the dual purpose of cradling your hand so that your grip improves, and also helps keep your hand from being slammed by the slide as it comes back after firing. The little bump which is a continuation of that on the handle acts as a safety, and the gun won't fire unless that's depressed. Heres my son on a shoot last summer. With an Emile Zola 12 ga over under. Got any pretty shotgun pics?

I have to keep something in my pocket!

Already did. Kevin Rauch and Jim Opdycke May 2008, a reminder to me of the value of friends. Arent, Kev. all you guys who stood by your buddy. Damn inspiring.

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Consider it raised. Warm regards to all my brothers breathing or not as all too soon, our turn will come to follow Don. How about a picture or 3 of Don?

Are you quite so certain that you correctly interpret what you read and that your reading translates into practice exactly as you interpreted? If so, then when I ask questions it must be a sign that I must be suffering from Dunning-Kruger effect . LOL!!!! Best slam of the month! Ouch!

I typed "Ruby's Cafe" I think.

Apologies to Jim Morrison for the title. Could the Pac. NW be in for a long hot summer? We are having below normal snowfall as a quick look around will tell you. Come July and August, it's gonna be damn dry and damn hot and if the damn wind kicks up, watch out. This bullshit, if real, would be difficult to stop. Police in Australia are treating these huge fires that have ravaged their country and so far killed 166 people and burned 850 square miles as a crime scene. There appears to be preliminary evidence of arson, although it will take a long time to sort out and get the truth. http://apnews.myway.com/article Perhaps this contributed? Link here, full text below. http://www.theage.com.au "Islam group urges forest fire jihad * Josh Gordon * September 7, 2008 AUSTRALIA has been singled out as a target for "forest jihad" by a group of Islamic extremists urging Muslims to deliberately light bushfires as a weapon of terror. US intelligence channels earlier this year identified a website calling on Muslims in Australia, the US, Europe and Russia to "start forest fires", claiming "scholars have justified chopping down and burning the infidels' forests when they do the same to our lands". The website, posted by a group called the Al-Ikhlas Islamic Network, argues in Arabic that lighting fires is an effective form of terrorism justified in Islamic law under the "eye for an eye" doctrine. The posting - which instructs jihadis to remember "forest jihad" in summer months - says fires cause economic damage and pollution, tie up security agencies and can take months to extinguish so that "this terror will haunt them for an extended period of time". "Imagine if, after all the losses caused by such an event, a jihadist organisation were to claim responsibility for the forest fires," the website says. "You can hardly begin to imagine the level of fear that would take hold of people in the United States, in Europe, in Russia and in Australia." With the nation heading into another hot, dry summer, Australian intelligence agencies are treating the possibility that bushfires could be used as a weapon of terrorism as a serious concern. Attorney-General Robert McClelland said the Federal Government remained "vigilant against such threats", warning that anyone caught lighting a fire as a weapon of terror would feel the wrath of anti-terror laws. "Any information that suggests a threat to Australia's interests is investigated by relevant agencies as appropriate," Mr McClelland said. Adam Dolnik, director of research at the University of Wollongong's Centre for Transnational Crime Prevention, said that bushfires (unlike suicide bombing) were generally not considered a glorious type of attack by jihadis, in keeping with a recent decline in the sophistication of terrorist operations. "With attacks like bushfires, yes, it would be easy. It would be very damaging and we do see a decreasing sophistication as a part of terrorist attacks," Dr Dolnik said. "In recent years, there have been quite a few attacks averted and it has become more and more difficult for groups to do something effective." Dr Dolnik said he had observed an increase in traffic on jihadi websites calling for a simplification of terrorist attacks because the more complex operations had been failing. But starting bushfires was still often regarded as less effective than other operations because governments could easily deny terrorism as the cause. The internet posting by the little-known group claimed the idea of forest fires had been attributed to imprisoned Al Qaeda leader Abu Musab Al-Suri. It said Al-Suri had urged terrorists to use sulphuric acid and petrol to start forest fires."

It's not often I can't understand your posts Pat. I have on occasion disagreed, but I usually understand your position and thoughts. Not this time. You bought the new Frou Frou music and after a listen they: SUCK BIG TIME or ARE AMAZINGLY AWESOME YOU MUST GET THIS MUSIC IMMEDIATELY! Could it be perhaps some woman with a Frou Frou dog sat in front of you on the bus? ?

Sometimes it's just better to grab a shovel and help dig rather than discuss it on the internet, where someone is just bound to get pissed off.

Gesundheit STP.

Hike the rap. What? Never heard of a HAHO jump? High Altitude/High Opening (HAHO)

That's some heavy stuff PP, but it can certainly be debated: Full text from PP link: "As we go to the polls today, the world around us is quickly changing in new and distressing ways. The challenges the international system will present the government we elect will be harsher, more complicated and more dangerous than the ones its predecessors have faced. Bluntly stated, the world that will challenge the next government will be one characterized by the end of US global predominance. In just a few short weeks, the new administration of President Barack Obama has managed to weaken the perception of American power and embolden US adversaries throughout the world. In the late stages of the presidential race, now Vice President Joseph Biden warned us that this would happen. In a speech before supporters he said, "It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama... [We're] gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy... They may emanate from the Middle East. They may emanate from the subcontinent. They may emanate from Russia's newly emboldened position." As it happens, Biden's warning had two inaccuracies. Rather than six months, America's adversaries began testing Obama's mettle within weeks. And instead of one crisis from Russia, the Middle East or the Indian subcontinent, Obama has faced and failed to meet "generated crises" from all three. TAKE RUSSIA for example. Since coming into office, Obama has repeatedly tried to build an alliance with the "newly emboldened" Russian bear. A week after entering office, he announced that he hoped to negotiate a nuclear disarmament agreement with Russia that would reduce the US's nuclear stockpiles by 80 percent. At a security conference in Munich last weekend, Biden stated that the administration wishes to push the "reset button" on its relationship with Russia and be friends. Responding to these American signals, the Russians proceeded to humiliate Washington. Last week President Dmitry Medvedev hosted Kyrgyzstan's President Kurmanbak Bakiyev in Moscow. After their meeting the two announced that Russia will give the former Soviet republic $2 billion in loans and assistance and that Kyrgyzstan will close the US Air Force base at Manas which serves American forces in Afghanistan. After cutting off one of the US's major supply routes for its forces in Afghanistan, Russia agreed to permit the US to resume its shipment of nonlethal military supplies for Afghanistan through Russian territory. Those shipments were suspended last summer by NATO in retaliation for Russia's invasion of Georgia. And now they are being resumed - on Moscow's terms. The US, for its part, couldn't be more grateful to Moscow for lending a helping hand. THE US ITSELF WOULDN'T have found itself needing Russian supply lines had the situation in nuclear-armed Pakistan not deteriorated as it has in recent months. Much of the situation in Pakistan today is due to the Bush administration's incompetent bungling of US relations with the failed state. For years the US gave tens of billions of dollars to the military government of Gen. Pervez Musharraf. Musharraf in turn used the money to build up Pakistan's military presence along the border with India, while allowing al-Qaida and the Taliban to relocate their headquarters in Pakistan after being ousted from Afghanistan by US forces. Vigilant in maintaining his power, for years Musharraf repressed all voices calling for democratic transformation. For their part democrats in places like Pakistan's Supreme Court were not friends of the West. They did not oppose the Taliban and al-Qaida. Rather their enemies were Musharraf and the US which kept him in power. Responding to a sudden urge to encourage the forces of democracy in Pakistan, while advocating their abandonment throughout the Arab world, secretary of state Condoleezza Rice compelled Musharraf first to resign as head of the Pakistani military - thus ending his control over the country's jihadist ISI intelligence services and over the pro-jihadist military. Then she forced him to accept open elections, which unsurprisingly, he lost. The democrats who replaced him had absolutely no influence over either the ISI or the military and realized that their power and their very lives were in the Taliban's hands. Consequently, since Pakistan's elections last year, the new government has surrendered larger and larger areas of the country to the Taliban. Indeed, today the Taliban either directly control or are fighting for control over the majority of Pakistani territory. Moreover, the Taliban and al-Qaida have intensified their war in Afghanistan and are making significant gains in that country as well. This would have been a difficult situation for the US to contend with no matter who replaced George W. Bush in the Oval Office. Unfortunately, due to Obama's stridently anti-Pakistani rhetoric throughout the campaign - rhetoric untethered to any coherent strategy for dealing with Pakistan - the Pakistanis no doubt felt the need to test his mettle as quickly as possible. For his part, Obama gave them good reason to believe he could be intimidated. By letting it be known that he intended for his special envoy to the region Richard Holbrook's job to include responsibility for pressuring US ally India to reach a peace agreement with Pakistan over the disputed Jammu and Kashmir province in spite of clear proof that Pakistani intelligence was the mastermind of the December terror attacks in Mumbai, Obama showed that he was willing to defend Pakistan's "honor" and so accept its continued bad behavior. LAST FRIDAY, the Pakistanis tested Obama. The Supreme Court freed Pakistan's Dr. Strangelove - A.Q. Khan - from the house arrest he had been under since his nuclear proliferation racket was exposed by the Libyans in 2004. Through his nuclear proliferation activities, Khan is not only the father of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal - but of North Korea's and Iran's as well. Khan's release casts a dark shadow on Obama's plan to dismantle much of America's nuclear arsenal, because with him free, the prospect that Pakistan is back in the proliferation business becomes quite real. Already on Sunday Khan announced his plan to travel abroad immediately. For its part, the court in Islamabad specifically stated that Khan is free to resume his "scientific research. Pakistan's open contempt for the US and its weakness in the face of the Taliban's takeover of the country has direct consequences for the US's mission in Afghanistan - and for its new dependence on Russia. This week the Taliban bombed a bridge on the Khyber Pass along the Pakistani border with Afghanistan that served as a supply line to US forces in Afghanistan. As US Brig.-Gen. James McConville stated in Kabul, the latest attack simply underlines how important it was for the US to resume its shipments through Russia. MANY HAVE POINTED to Pakistan as an example of why Israel and the West have no reason to be concerned about Iran acquiring nuclear arms. To date, they claim, Pakistan has not used its nuclear arms, and indeed has been deterred by both India and the West from doing so. While it is true that Pakistan has yet to use its nuclear arsenal, it is also true that since its initial nuclear test in 1998, Pakistan has twice brought the subcontinent to the brink of nuclear war. In both 1999 and 2002, Pakistan provoked India into a nuclear standoff. Moreover, due to its nuclear arsenal, Pakistan successfully deterred the US from taking action against it after the September 11 attacks showed that al-Qaida and the Taliban owed their existence to Pakistan's ISI. Although Pakistan's government is not an Islamic revolutionary one like Iran's, the fact is that since it became a nuclear power, Pakistan has moved away from the West, not toward it. Indeed, its nuclear deterrent against India - and the West - has empowered and strengthened the jihadists and brought them ever closer to taking over the regime in a seamless power grab. Far from arguing against preventing Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons, the Pakistani precedent argues for taking every possible action to prevent Iran from acquiring them. After all, unlike the situation in Pakistan, Iran's regime is already controlled by jihadist revolutionaries. And like their counterparts in Pakistan, these forces will be strengthened, not weakened in the event that Iran acquires nuclear weapons. Indeed, since Obama came into office waving an enormous olive branch in Teheran's direction, the regime has become more outspoken in its hostility toward the US. It has humiliated Washington by refusing visas to America's women's badminton team to play their Iranian counterparts. It has announced it will only agree to direct talks with Washington if it pulls US forces out of the Middle East, abandons Israel and does nothing to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. It has rudely blackballed US representatives who are Jewish, like House Foreign Affairs Committee chairman Howard Berman, at international conclaves. And it has announced that it will refuse to deal with Obama's suggested envoy to Iran, Dennis Ross, who is also a Jew. In all of its actions, Iran has gone out of its way to embarrass Obama and humiliate America. And Obama, for his part, has continued to embrace Teheran as his most sought-after negotiating partner. MOVING AHEAD, the question of how our next government should handle America's apparent decision to turn its back on its traditional role as freedom's global defender becomes the most pressing concern. It is clear that we will need to embrace the burden of our own defense and stop expecting to receive much from our alliance with the US. But it is also clear that we will need a new strategy for dealing with the US itself. In formulating that policy, the next government should draw lessons from fellow US-ally India. Once it became clear to the Indians that the Obama administration intended to treat them as the strategic and moral equivalent of Pakistan, they struck back hard. When the administration signaled that it would agree to Pakistan's assertion that its problems with the Taliban were linked to India's refusal to cede Jammu and Kashmir to Islamabad, New Delhi essentially told Washington to get lost. In an interview on Indian television last week, ahead of Holbrook's first visit to the area this week, India's National Security Adviser M.K. Narayanan said that Obama would be "barking up the wrong tree" if he were to subscribe to such views. He added that India would be unwilling to discuss the issue of Jammu and Kashmir with Holbrook and so compelled Obama to remove the issue from Holbrook's portfolio. At the same time, the Indian government released a dossier substantiating its claim that the December attacks on Mumbai were planned in jihadist terror training camps in Pakistan and enjoyed the support of the ISI. Moreover, in response to Khan's release from house arrest on Friday, India called for the international community to list Pakistan as a terror state. In acting as it has, India has made two things clear to the Obama administration. First, it will not allow Washington to appease Pakistan at its expense. Second, it will do whatever it believes is necessary to secure its own interests both diplomatically and militarily. A sound example for the next government to follow. "

Still stunned. Bumped it to the top so that Jon Stewart can use it for his whipping sequence pp presentation.

John had those Rubys Cafe pics on CC.com right here: http://cascadeclimbers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/519347/site_id/1#import