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Jesus Christ Ivan. (LOL and insert my open mouth wonderment and a gratuitous head shake along with that chuckle). uhhh, first dude, you might reconsider this piece of advice. You'd really have to pick and choose your days and times on this part of Ivan's advice. Shit can come off up there that is making my sphincter pucker 30 years later.....really. As it's finally startin' to cool off, maybe not so much or so bad right now....but (@##X%!!) I'm gonna sound old here but say it anyway, BE CAREFUL if you chose to play hide and seek with the crap caving off the N side!!! I use to go up there solo on hot days for cooling relief and to just train and condition back when I was young. I'd stay well back from the face! Some of the stuff I've seen come off the N side at various spots and random times is somebitch crazy huge stuff. Massive chunks of ice bigger than fright trains, big rocks at high speed. Stuff isn't survivable unless you're superman. I'd just head up and approach it hiking in from the East side lateral moraine and pick a choice spot and you'll be fine. Also, I'd suggest you consider taking your best binoculars and look for the folks that were lost up there couple of fatalities back. I'd bet that area below the gullies is where they wound up so scan that area hard. This is the best time of year for looking. I'm sure that the family's would be most grateful if they could give them a proper service. I forget their names but one of them had posted here, and was from Dallas, and the other was from NY I think. I could be wrong on that of course, I think Ian was on that rescue, maybe he has some thoughts. Anyway, have fun!

I'm with you all the way up to the Coe part. Then I'm done being interested. 2 glass's of cheap wine here.

Well, you're on the Romeny boat, but you're in steerage with the 1 percenters (ie the 1 percent of the 47% voting Romney). Gary Johnson voter here. Won't denigrate either the of the eventual winners though.

It plays well in Iran. It was right next to a story titled "Israel root cause of all world problems: Iran envoy" from Iran’s Ambassador to Beirut Ghazanfar Roknabadi. ALL the worlds problems he says. I don't see how the Israelis can not slam these guys to the mat before they get another genocide attempt by these hatemongers. http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/09/20/262683/israel-seeks-iran-war-to-keep-lid-on-911/

I got yer proof right here. Maybe not....but I'm leaving the pic up anyway. Hope it moves the conversation a bit and you lighten up on the needless name calling Ak Ak. ps, this is Paris, and I got the pic off the net, but did anyone else besides me see the young girls naked, yelling and shaking it by the Rose qtr last night? O la la.

Looks like the next person with balls has stepped up to the plate to accept your challenge and it's a Frenchman. The offices having been firebombed last time they did something similar. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/french-magazine-charlie-hebdo-to-publish-mohammed-cartoons/story-fnd134gw-1226476950221 I have not gotten a view of the originals yet, the web site hosting them has been down due to extraordinary heavy traffic.... imagine.

You need some balance in yer life. You should get up there and put up some sweet routes with Kenny, Adam, the Tappets, etc etc etc

I love reading your updates Ivan. Sometimes you make my palms sweat....your 7 freesolo laps in a day...Hesus de Christos man. Anyway, Jeff and I did the old injured man tour lap Saturday up the corner (his knee my shoulder). We pulled in and there was not a single car on the climbers side of the parking lot. We were almost whooping and hollering like when we were kids. Reminiscent of climbing there 30-40 years back and you'd never see anyone all say. Turned out there were 2 parties already which we came up quick on, but they were both kind enough to let us pass so we were car to car in 2 hours and change and they should have seen the approx route so as to not get to far off route. Good times with a good dude.

Glad to see Adam had fun crawling up your dirty hole.....hmmm, that just came out wrong. I'll go get a lap on it once my shoulder starts to feel better just to see how bad you fucked up the protection bolts if nothing else. (I'm kidding, kidding). I want to get a silhouette photo of sitting in that top hole of Beacon Rock, is that possible? I can't get on it if there is even a 1% chance I'll blow some knobs I'll hurt my shoulder real bad. I already did that with your buddy up there just following on the FA of one of the pitches of Excalibur. Between him and Ujahn my shoulder keeps getting hurt. ps, whats the link of that Pro Photographer who took all the shots of you doing the first or second ascent? That was some good work. See if he'll put a couple shots on this thread and a link to his site, I'm not comfortable just stealing it without permission. What was his name? He took some great shots for the constraints he had (ie, shooting in your tiny, dirty, hole) LOL

I'll be blunt then Scott. Without us "leg humping office sycophant's" paying taxes that go directly for it you'd be pointing your finger at nasty dirty bearded yutzes, yelling bang and hopeing for a positive outcome. Ammo ain't cheap. Intel ain't cheap. Satellites ain't either. None of it is. There's shit I'd much rather see my money get wasted on first but there it is. You're fucking welcome for that. That's the viewpoint of many of us leg humping office sycophant's. I was responding to Rob on how they could swarm over our security at our embassys. Marines standing there not having bullets would be one way. Not saying that everyone was disarmed, I'm sure that's not the case. The embassy Marine detachment dudes in Egypt are saying off the record that they were not allowed by the ambassador to have bullets. Now, although I don't know any of them I suspect it might be the truth. You have security (Marines)and you have security (contractors), and you have security (residents), so I don't know the who, what, when, where or why. Nevermind, I do know some shit as I might already know the when, where and why. Check this story and see if it might ring true (I'm only quoting the first part), here's the link:http://freebeacon.com/reports-marines-not-permitted-live-ammo/Says.. ....regardless if if the story above is true, I'd be surprised if you hadn't heard of it. I would suspect that they are running locked and loaded these days given that the ambassadors ass would be on the line. Seen here in an Egyptian state owned paper before the SHTF there. Headline translates to: “The Ambassador from Hell Who Ignites Tahrir Square.” These people clearly have issues. While we are on the subject of money, these dudes are getting 1.6 billion tax free from us these days last I heard. They're welcome for that too, but seeing shit like that incendiary mag cover not being condemned is making me feeling a tad testy on freely tossing greenback their way and I suspect I'm not alone on that.

Huh? Youse dudes need to clarify your sling size. 1" Tubular webbing is good for at least 10 years. Maybe the skinny 6mm and to a lesser extent 8mm dyneema (which is not "nylon") goes only 1 -2 years heavy use, certainly by 3 years old they shouldn't be led on (if used heavily). Should be nothing wrong with washing them with a little mild detergent like Woolite, same as any rope, but that's good advice to just hang them up to dry.

2 thick jackets and long underwear so your pecker don't freeze. No climbing naked today hey?

You boys have fun and be safe. Don't get sucked into the time space continuum again. Didn't Ricky name it "Scott's Hole" LOL!!! Rick McDonald staring hard at "Scotts Hole". Raining, but you don't see it. Sadly, no Leprechauns or Leprechaun gold was found on this expedition. Tim Olsens gorge page:

They were Army. Not guard. High profile Event? The only thing high profile happening that day was the execution of Martin Luther King right at his hotel room. Witnessed and photographed by the Army then they got the hell out of there. You don't find that odd? How about that they never mentioned their presence after the murder. They had pictures and were witnesses and didn't say a damned thing about it. This came out 30 years later. Not coming forward is a crime in and of itself. Tell you what, PM me your mailing address or a PO Box and I'll send you a copy of this book and then tell me what you think afterwards. I can't do it justice, they had over 70 witnesses testifying at the trial.

Have the kids taken up my suggestion to put up a rope swing at The Great Roof or Juniper Spire yet?

no Uhhh, OK no Who cares no maybe could happen Your welcome. Wait, I think I actually messed up the sequence and got the answers wrong. Lets just go with who cares for all. Any other questions I can assist with - I'll be here all week. Thank you ...thank you.

Here's what it is Scott. (Hang with me for this as it's along way from where I'm going to start in 1968 to the current 9-11 and Bin Laden crazy beliefs being discussed) Common belief for @ 30 years after the Martin Luther King assassination was that a lone racist nut job (James Earl Ray) did it. Ray, pretty much a total douchbag anyway, denied pulling the trigger and said he as a patsy and set up. He was convicted anyway as no normal rational person would ever believe a loser like him and disbelieve the government. There was always some other questionable funny business associated with the killing that caused "nutjobs" like some of Kings friends to wonder what the real story was. They looked into it and could not get the authorities to look into the truth. started to come out in court during the Lloyd Jowers conspiracy case that the King family brought. Were you aware that in a court of law, the Kings proved that it was a conspiracy and not a single racist wack job who killed MLK? Ray was dead in prison at that time so his innocence was not proved. What was proved is that others were actively involved in the murder. Were you aware that there were 2 Army sniper teams closeby and within view of Martin Luther King at the very moment when he was killed? One team was taking photos. The other was watching. Neither did the deed per testimony, and they didn't know who pulled the trigger either. But the Army photos of the assassination have never surfaced. Yet in sworn testimony, one member of one of the Army teams testified where he was and that there was a 2nd Army sniper unit on top of the Fire station directly across from the Lorraine Motel (currently called the National Civil Rights museum) where MLK was staying (and where he had stayed so many times before they started calling the room the King Abernathy suite) and was shot. They went to the fire station asking questions and it turns out that the Fire Captain of that station personally let the Army photographers into the building the morning King was assassinated. Unanswered questions still remain. Why were there 2 army sniper teams put in position the morning before King was shot? Where are the Army pictures of the murder? Who ordered the 2 teams into those positions? Check out this book: An Act of State: The Execution of Martin Luther King by William F. Pepper http://www.amazon.com/An-Act-State-Execution-Updated/dp/B005B1KZBC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1347894787&sr=8-1&keywords=Martin+luther+King+pepper For myself, being in the Army I had personally seen disinformation released which I knew to be false so as to present an incorrect picture of the situation to the enemy. I was fine with that, think it's a good idea anytime you can get away with it. However I'd never seen anything like this and will confess that the government murder of Mr Non-violent and the resulting bullshit afterwards shocks the holy hell out of me. It makes me, and others, question every other solid assumption I've carried on a range of issues and leads to a general distrust of news stories, which are often little more than some lying sack of shit who works for the government releasing a news story published as "facts and truth" with no actual fact checking. Who knows what the hell else is going on with these lying, controlling, consitution avoiding, murderous sacks of shit? Where that can lead any normal person, or not so normal like seen up thread (LOL joking boys joking) is some crazy beliefs: which might be true and might be total baloney. Now you have 9/11 deniers and Obama death deniers and all kinds of things. Who can say for certain what is real? What is truth? So if you come on here and say X, Y or Z we'd believe it if you had first, or even second hand info. But after learning of the government complicity in the murder of Martin Luther King, and seeing the amazingly near perfect disinformation campaign that resulted in all Americans but a few believe a total lie and see an innocent man go to jail, do you want us to believe anything these other people say (whomever the hell in the government who literally got away with murder of a prominent American) about anything?

I don't know shit so no worries, I'm relying on news reports and have never even been to Egypt or Libya. Would welcome your input if you've got an accurate first hand or 2nd hand account. Uhhh Bob, I think you're supporting and agreeing to Ivans point dude.

I'd disagree. You are trying to do right by your family and your country. Critical thinking and passion isn't a bad thing IMO. Debate and argument can help us all get to a better spot. And as much as it pisses some of us off, it's been happening since the founding of the country and it is a good thing. As I understand it, some of the embassy guards doing external security are local citizens/contract workers, and are not allowed to have real ammo in some cases. I have not confirmed this, so it could be wrong. Regardless, imagine a large group of douchbags all showing up and trying to stampede the herd. Shooting them may (or may not) be productive, and I'm sure that the guards have very limiting orders on what they can do in various situations. In Yemen, a Yemini citizen was the only casualty I think. Whereas in the Libya case, the ambassador was on the move due to a fire in the embassy safe room all of our embassy's have. Retreat to it was out of the question due to the fire - the Paki douchnozzles did this to the US Pakistani embassy and they almost killed everyone who had retreated to the safe room due to lack of O2 in the 1980s. Lessons learned. In this instance, think of a quarterback flushed out of the pocket except that the defensive ends in this case had turbans, RPG's and automatic weapons. They were well briefed and were lying in ambush waiting for the ambassador at his fall back position. The ambassador, a Doctor from Seattle no less, appeared to have been intentionally flushed out and ambushed in a well planned and coordinated attack that had solid intel on the US contingency plans. Don't know where they got the info, but certainly something as simple as the William Buckley kidnapping or the Iran takeover could have been the original sources lo those many years ago. Regards to all -

Call on Uncle Bill to assist here. You'll be busy, I can teach the lad how to pour. I've done this successfully with my own son before so I've got experience.

Ya gotta go where the birds are Ivan. I saw them still there as of @2 weeks when I hiked that lower Cape Falls trail. Maybe the cops chased them out and they're homeless now. Can you say "migratory bird act"? The Forest Service is still feeling a tad butt hurt over the fact that some hiking enthusiasts just showed up and put that trail in there LOL. Great trail. Nice to see the FS start to get onboard. I think that it's close to the best trail in the gorge, that lower one ducks behind a waterfall and you can see Cigar Rock and that sweet looking columnar basalt below which now has bullet holes in it. The upper one has great views. Anyway, in any contest between Peregrines and SWAT troops spraying live 5.56 everywhere, my money is on SWAT.

Still unanswered. I thought that the Atlantic had 5 great points/questions regarding the attack in Libya. I was wondering on #3 and #4 myself. What Israeli anywhere in the world would do this kind of thing? A corollary news story today is one of the actors saying that she was lied to about what the film portrayed, and had NO clue they were dissin' on Mohammed. Interesting times indeed. updated 9:40am. Re #3 and 4 above, more info.

Don't know if anyone saw the front page of the Oregonian today. The Portland police chose Cape Horn cliffs to do a live fire training exercise.....forgot to tell anyone or ask first. Sounded like a war zone it's said. Turns out they didn't know the popular Cape Horn trail was right there on the top, that the cliffs had Petroglyphs, That it was a national scenic area (whatever that means) or that Peregrines were using the cliff to nest. pffft, live and learn. On a positive note, they cliffs now have some extra holes/holds to facilitate easier climbing, but of course it's manmade. LOL

Ben said it's the best route up there and you chose a great line. Congrats on what is clearly a job well done Scott, Rick and Rhonda. Woot!

A surprisingly large amount of climbers think that 9/11 was not as bill (attack by 17 Arabs with boxcutters). They discuss World Trade Center Tower #7 here. http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1667999&tn=0&mr=0