whirlwind

probly cause i have no idea what or who that is

we haven't had a good war/ oil thread in a while so here it goes... while sitting in econ class today, reviewing supply and demand a idea came to mind that i just had to share. people seem to think that the war wasn't about oil especally since in the after math their has been no major effort to reconstruct the iraqi oil industry, which by the way seems kinda dumb since it would promote jobs for iraqi's and increase the circulation of money in iraq (hopefully). any way here is somthing to think about, iraq use to sell alot of oil to siria for dirt cheap, this oil was then used or sold by siria( most likely to russia). after cutting this pipeline off the demand for oil from opec increases, and with iraq no longer producing oil (for opec) supply at the same time decreases this brings about an increase in price. obivously this is why we are now paying so much for gass. but how does this help the U.S.? well it doesn't but look who is now getting extremely weathly ( even more so than they already are) thats easy the people that own oil; the Bush family the sadi family (who control opec, and also have very close ties to the bush family and ties to the terroists of 911, at least by nationality which may mean nothing but...., the same attack that was used to start war in afganistan, which then evoled and some how turned its attention on iraq) but who knows?

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definatly time to break in the old climbing muscles, was in sqaumish as well this week end, it was awsome

i'll probly make it as well, but i'll deffinatly be bringing some rock gear

i can leave as soon as the 11th ( got classes till about then) but we can leave at a later date and 10 days will be fine with me rocks i'll send/post more info as i know more.

well a week ta two weeks dates are pretty flex but i want to spend at least a solid 10 or so days in cali

oh come on u know u want too

didn't drive to the bar but i had to rob a bank to get legal

got my licence back yester day, and insurance

plaining on a trip down in end of june, for 2weeks. and i am looking to cut costs as much as posible with the ever riseing gas prices. so heres the deal i can fit 6 people in the van comfortably( or cram 7). it was about 120 one way last yr, thats 240 both ways, with gas prices up it won't be more than 400 both ways but at $400's its about 66 dollars a piece. camping would also be cheeper plaining on leaving like the 15 or so and coming back at the end of the month who's in?

belgian, abery ale or fat tire genus, imperial stought on nitro

also castle rock makes a good day if u don't want to hike back to SC: midway, canary, angel is doable (hard but short route) saber, oh btw beware of the 5.8 on the far right of alfebet rock, its a flaring crack and i personaly didn't like it too much meat grinder is an easy 10 a with only one move of 10a and the rest is 5.9 also on alfebet, gilivers is good and close to alfebet. bo derick is kinda hard but its on the way down from gilivers

how did this thread get turned into climbing rainer anyways i wouldn't mind climbing rainer myself but shit no one seems willing to take a newbie alpinist this time of yr

screw all that B.S if hes an experianced climber, and ok with multipitch, take his ass up outer space the top 3 pitches are stellar straigh forward cracks awsome gear and plenty of good rests

looking to do some moderate ten's or easyer btw mostly trad maybe some bouldering

if we get a group this might an be intresting week end

i get off work at 9am and have the whole weekend free any one up for some trad? squamish, index or where ever

crack was good like maybe 5.8 the tope 6ft or so was just about chicken wing, deffinatly the crux was topping out specaily in sneakers

dam dru... #2 is the only reason i do it

btw there are some good route in which the crux is right off the belay, exasporator for instance

thats not a directional thats a "jew" piece as e-rock and i so afectionatly call it, i only use dirt for when the sec is well secounding the pitch

its just more comfortable thats all not really for back up but i could be used that way thats why i brough it up

i don't do much alpine sorry mostly cragin its pretty convenaint for me

down fall ofcourse is if the piece pops. i had a nutt come out once which end up putting alot of slack in the line but the sec didn't fall, my nutts thanked him very much for not doing so