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Try your query in the forum over at Supertopo.com

No worries, I'm not offended, you shouldn't be either. I'd like to hear some stories from you; that's not an insult. I did poke at you, but not very hard and not with the pointy end of the stick. Please think of it more as campfire banter than having your knuckles rapped by a nun. I see your point, and I agree it would be a mistake to think this site or the TR's on it represent NW climbers as a whole.

5.12b, WI6+, A5, M10 all R/X! Is that Canadian for III+ 5.9? There's a number of ways up that buttress, but if you're fine with 5.9 any of them will go.

Good for Porter, that's not the place to do it. Not that I'm all that fond of such dogpiles here in Spray either.

You'd be surprised how many people would enjoy a TR on one of those outings, especially with some nice pictures to go along. I know I would.

Ever notice that she only winks with the left eye? I think it's a sign that she's a lefty commie symp mole in deep cover, Putin's third cousin smuggled over the Bering Strait when she was in high school.

No worse than the septic pumper at Burning Man who had a line clog and blow, the metal edge of the line whipping out and cutting his face, injecting a little raw sewage into his bloodstream and mouth as well. A few stitches, a little time with the IV antibiotics, no big deal.

Well what the hell, another information post that Raindawg chooses to poop on and the ensuing squabblefest turns it straight into spray? This shit's gotta stop, or it's going to be a long winter. I've moved this to Spray, but I'm not happy about it. I think everyone should be appreciative of posts like Toast's notification of class concentrations at climbing areas, so people can plan their destinations accordingly. Toast, please don't let these assholes dissuade you from posting such notifications in the future.

No rules Mikester, I'm just saying what I think. You seemed proud of the fact that you don't post TR's, and I took your words at face value.

With any luck we'll still be in Iraq when he turns 18, we'll be needing boys like that.

I miss your mom too.

I trust you reciprocate and don't read TR's and use their beta either, or do you just use what the site offers without contributing? If this forum represents so few climbers, surely telling stories from your outings will have little impact on your privacy in the Cascades. I think you should post some trip reports, people who use the site consistently declare TR's the best thing we do, and you could help make this a better website. My subjective experience is entirely valid, for me at least. I climb less in the mountains than I used to and I see many more climbers. It hasn't been a problem, and I certainly know where to go in the range if I want to see fewer people, but that has been my personal observation and my membership at this website is irrelevant. Maybe backcountry climbing usage has declined in the last five years, but I believe it's still way up in the last thirty. Your experiences may not be congruent with mine, and both perspectives will be subjectively true. On a different tangent, I think climbers ought to use those silly registers, otherwise we're much less visible as a user group and our desires are not considered. I think the discussion of closure of the Middle Fork road had very little input from climbers, but lots from hikers, mountain bikers and horseback riders. If you don't stand up to be counted, then you don't count, and you can't complain about being disregarded.

I just wanted to post in this important thread I hear the Faith Tones are going to perform at Raindawg's event!

Agreed. Have you used the new smaller-than-pinkie TriCams yet?

Wise up STP, weren't you paying attention? The Democrats are forcing them to do that!

In other news... Did you know that the 9/11 attacks are possibly an inside job! [video:youtube]6kOS2alJcLc

That looks like splendid fun, great looking rock.

Good advice for those climbing at Fossil or Goose Egg too.

They've gone on strike. They've realized that when the chips are down, collective organization is the way to go.

I don't know that I agree about a decrease in total numbers of alpine climbers. I made five trips to Mt Stuart (Sherpa Couloir, Ice Cliff Glacier, Stuart Glacier Couloir, and complete N Ridge twice) between 1979 and 1989, and I never saw another party of climbers. I just did the West Ridge a few weeks ago and encountered two other parties of two on that route, that's a big increase. Up until 1999 I never shared an alpine route with another party and only occasionally encountered other climbers in the backcountry, and that only at nexus points like Colchuck Lake or Boston Basin. For the West Ridge I drew on route finding information from Beckey's 2nd brown edition and a number of trip reports here, resulting in a very casual first trip up a feature that many experience as confusing. There is a lot more information available now, both about the routes in particular and what people are climbing. There might be a lack of emerging young alpine climbers, I don't really have any anecdotal insights into that idea. I suspect that about the same number of people are taking it up as they ever did, but in terms of percentage of total young climbers who shift into alpine climbing, I could easily imagine that going down. I have nothing empirical to support my opinion though. It's worth pointing out to people that you can in fact climb just fine with a rack of hexes, stoppers, and shoulder length slings that you tie yourself. Most alpine routes do not demand a double set of cams.

I dunno, seems pretty straight forward to me. Whatever floats your boat: if you don't ask for what you want you're unlikely to get it.

You're a little slow on the uptake, aren't you?

How do you know she is a witch? [video:youtube]zrzMhU_4m-g I suppose it would be funnier if it wasn't so close to true. I got better.

How about they just give 425,000 to me and fuck the rest of ya'll?

Dodge and weave. Same as it ever was, same as it ever was. FW, if you aren't satisfied with Bush's record, why do you support a third term featuring the same supporting staff and a candidate who voted with Bush 95% of the time? I suppose it's a rhetorical question, since I don't expect anything more than the standard dodge and weave in response.