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can't argue w/ that - but then, where is a good place? this thread has a much better chance of avoiding the mt hood debacle-style degeneration though b/c it wasn't spawned by a monstrous wave of publicity

do you get cell reception there? most places in the n cascades you don't. was the phone functional? if you don't keep the battery warm, they often don't work. i don't know that i would have called in a rescue so quickly either, especially if hadn't heard or seen anything that made me think he'd been hurt. how well did these two guys know each other? how often had they climbed together? how experienced were they? how well did they tend to communicate? if they were mostly acquantinces who didn't understand each other well, the partner might have thought he was taking another way down, or been confused as to what exactly he had wanted from him? under what circumstances did they split up anyhow? it's pretty unusual for one partner to leave the other in the first place, and indicative perhaps of them not getting along - if i choose to continue when a friend of mine didn't want to, i certainly wouldn't expect him to sit aroudn in the freezing cold while i was off having fun. i'm confused as to what the partner did when he got down. it seems like S&R folks were notified pretty quickly? if he'd gone out to the bar, gone to sleep, woken up the next day and not said a thing till noon, that would clearly have been retarded. i guess the bottom line is the question of "why didn't he call before going down" is very, very hard to answer w/o having clear answers to a lot of other questions. as an expereinced climber, it's not difficult for me to see an answer to your original question that doesn't involve fear or incompetence on the part of the partner. what else do you know of his partner?

i tried copying the cascade crazy boys w/ their damned tennies when i first got out here - after repeatedly practically breaking my ankles on approaches, i figured i'm much better off always wearing my trangos - they're as light as boots get, and can easily climb technical rock to 5.8 or so, so they earn their keep

i like the routes where you can't tell the differences between the holds marked w/ chalk and the ones covered in bird shit

link shouldn't someone have already chimed in to tell us why this is another of Carter's screaming failures?

Yeah well, you know, that's just like, your opinion, man...

one does not reason w/ the whirlwind

we didn't have totally retarded threads back in 2-double-ought-6? where are the snowdens of yester-year?

420's jumped the shark when the goddamn squares know about it!

but the beauty of j-berg is the 10 minute approach!

israel must be allowed to exist, but it has no more right to the land than anyone else - they were hardly the original inhabitants and lost their claim fair n' square, just like the american injuns and a gazallion other aboroginal people who failed to withstand the onslaught of more powerful empires - if we all went back to where our ancestors came from, we'd all be in africa, and that place is fawked!

what a super fawking saturday! and i even crossed paths w/ bill whilst deeply engrossed in his gardening! did "meth rage" at the o-o-o-o-gawd-zone! what fun...if you like 5.8 climbing and sketchy, sketchy pro! superb return of the jedi forest views though....how i wish i was strong enough to take on the .11s i the area - geoff and i am managed to get to the 4th bolt on the upper part of route 66, but alas, white boys must bow out after that... the bone-zone rawks all!

this might explain why they get paid so much more than the patriotic boys who signed up for the junior varsity program, eh?

here's a liberal conundrum - would you be willing to support child marriage within the native american community?

i can not see how carter speaking w/ hamas can have a worse result than no one speaking w/ hamas - i can see how it will have no effect however

thanks - that really brightened my mood on this grey-day!

i pretty much fine w/ nuking the entire middle east and renaming it texas we can talk w/ them before we do it

the best line from the work has got to be: "The majority of mounts and matings occur in tense situations."

Paleoanthropology in the 1990's Essays by James Q. Jacobs A Comparison of Some Similar Chimpanzee and Human Behaviors Bonobo Peace Keeping Description: Aggressive behavior is typical of most primates. Gorillas, humans and chimpanzees kill members of their own species. The need for social and physical contact is also characteristic of most primates. Species that live in groups need to reconcile aggression. Social groups require some form of conflict resolution. Sexual behavior is one such mechanism to overwhelm aggression. Bonobo sex life is divorced from reproduction and also serves the functions of pleasure and conflict resolution. Females are in a sexually attractive state most of the time, and almost continuously sexually active. Sexual activity is very frequent. Males, females and juveniles all engage in erotic activity. Age and gender are not sexual boundaries among the Bonobo. A typical sexual pattern is genital rubbing between adult females. Erotic contacts in Bonobos includes oral sex, genital massage and intense tongue-kissing. Whereas in most other species sexual behavior is a fairly distinct category, in the Bonobo it is part and parcel of social relations. Sex seems to cement Bonobo bonds. Females use sex to form alliances against males. Consequently males do not dominate females or coerce them sexually. Bonobo culture is female-centered, egalitarian and substitutes sex for aggression. Context: Bonobos live in groups of 50 to 120 animals. Bonobo society appears to be female-dominated. Male status is linked to that of his mother. Older females occupy the highest rank. The strongest social bonds are between females. Raising offspring is an exclusively female activity. In Bonobo society sexual excitement and aggression rates are higher at feeding times. Dominant males may delay sharing food with females who are not sexually disposed. Cofeeding takes place between intimates. Among Bonobos, embracing, friendly touching and sexual contact rates jump after an aggressive incident. According to zoologist Frans de Waal, "The majority of mounts and matings occur in tense situations." "©onflict resolution is the more fundamental and pervasive function of Bonobo sex." Sex in Bonobo society is definitively a mechanism for keeping the peace. Bonobo-Human Comparisons: Human nuclear families are presumably incongruous with the sex habits found in Bonobo culture. Many of the roots of human behavior can be traced to our primate heritage, including survival through cooperation and mutual assistance. While the same mechanisms and purposes may underlie Bonobo and human social behavior, distinct solutions have evolved in these two groups. In particular, humans and Bonobos have developed different mechanisms for peacekeeping. Cultural transmission and highly developed symbolic language are particularly unique to humans. Human conflicts and aggression are typically reconciled and avoided through language. The use of sex to reconcile or avoid conflict is present in human culture, though it is nowhere near as pervasive a factor as among the Bonobos. Conflicts are less likely to recur after body contact between aggressors. This similarity to Bonobo use of sex can be seen in the custom of adversaries shaking hands after conflict, or close friends kissing and making up after a fight. Intimate human couples engage in sexual activity after conflicts. Sexual receptivity maintains pair bonding in humans much as it does group cohesion in Bonobos. Unlike Bonobos, sexual control is evidenced in humans. Marriage typically serves as a sexual control mechanism. Human males participate in child rearing and, due to monogamous marriages, have some assurance of paternity. In most cultures men honor proprietary rights of husbands over their wife or wives. Marriage typically involves exclusion and control over a female's sexual life. Humans also demonstrate sexual coercion and jealousy between intimates. Most human cultures are male-dominated.

talking, even if only infrequently, leaves open the option of some day making some progress, even if it takes a century

funny - the researchers studying chimps found that all the gay sex they observed was EXACTLY for, if you'll pardon the unavoidable pun, lubricating the social network of the troop. male chimps suck off the troop's leader to indicate their submission and prevent conflict. all the females suck of the same alpha male (polygamous set-up?) for similiar reasons.

it does seem strange - for a man so opposed to bolts, you'd think he'd dig on folks sticking to scrambling?

how much, and how do i get them to fit in my mirage?

I don't believe so, but I'm sure people of poor environmental character could find a way to rig it just so. aww, come on dawg, that was a weak-sauce reply - you need to take some pep pills or something! how about a good witty reply like: "whatdya need loops for? you can just shove the drill up yer ass?"!

she must eat a lot cherries