ivan

why is charles manson alive? what would you done w/ hitler, were he captured alive? was israel wrong to make its only exception to the no-kill rule for eichman? why did pol pot get to cheat the hangman? stalin? is the world really a lesser place now that ted bundy is gone? the logic is simple - it works for abortion too - sometimes your life is too fucking inconvenient for the rest of us hey, maybe the buddhists are right? see you on the other side beyotch!

at any rate pat, if you can't convince a dumb-ass libtard like meself, it don't bode well for the rest of amerikkka - we have a deep and abiding love for killing folks, especially innocents!

i know you don't intend it, tvash, but this could easily be taken as "the victim deserves it" in your situation, yes, the murdered ass-fuck's family should still have the primary say - the state's rule is simple - you shall not kill - The Man Alone has the Monopoly on Death - if you kill (and that is the only act that the DP should be applicable to - rapists, traitors, druglords, etc. should not be considered unless they've killed) than you may be killed by the state, on behalf of the victim's kin i am not keen to have the state in on the people's dirty work, but that is the reality of situation - either the state dispenses justice, or the people as individuals - i'd rather it be the former

i'm sure there's plenty of fine substance in there, senor, but remember the golden rule of spray you get about 100 words to make your point if you gotta break up into seperate posts, do so at your peril fortune cookie wisdom is all that's required to achieve nirvana

i don't have a deep and committed opinion on the issue, and won't really until it affects me personally the state kills, and we accept that as soon as we accept any situation in which war is acceptable - like war, the decision to execute must not be casual and pragmatic, but deeply and well considered and made only after all other options are exhausted it's silly to think we'll ever be "civilized" - the concept itself is an avalon, a shining city on a hill that exists only in dreams - the real world is bloody and ugly - by your own admittance, tvash, we are hairless monkeyies w/ digital wristwatches, and we can not hope for more. capital punishment should be very rare - but to say it's never acceptable is silly - walter e kurtz has my back on this one

maybe for certain, there's nothing to be proud or certain of in the state killing any of citizens

and to die is far different than anything anyone ever supposed, and luckier - walt whitman

as to the cruel and unusual, that argument doens't impress me much - lethal injection is hardly drawing and quartering or burning at the stake - the guillotine was fine enough really, especially if you were to put the condemned to sleep first the tendency to condemn people of color more is a problem, but not so great as to outlaw the whole practice - again, i think it should be entirely up to the family of the person you killed, and i don't particuliarly care how they arrive at the decision to kill you, they are the ones who have been wronged.

my main problem w/ the death penalty is the expense - it's abhorrent to kill an innocent man, so every opportunity must be made for appeals, which inevitably takes a decade or more - death row guys have to be kept seperate so the expense in maintaining them is much greater, plus all the expense in endless appeals mostly i think it should be up to the aggrieved - the state usurped the ancient tradition of private justice to eliminte the inevitable blood fueds that crop up as a result - if you kill my kid, i should have an input as to what happens to you - if i want to be enlightened and spare your life so you can have a few decades to suffer and reflect on what you did, that should be my right - if i think you must die, than the state should facilitate that so as to keep me from doing it myself, which likely would harm innocent people i do like that in our state you get to select from a menu of options on your execution day

star trek v - winner of the best beginning for the worst movie evu!

i remember solo-aiding it that the final piece was the most annoying - i seem to recall a tiny nut worked

i reckon the general feel is its complicated, kev, eh? we'd have been safer had we never gotten ourselves so fucking involved probably (but who knows? maybe NOT being involved in the world at the end of ww2 woulda been more destructive in the grand sense). at any rate its irrelevant - we have gotten involved and unless you can get your delorrean up to 88 mph that can't change - i'm for withdrawing from this fucked up neck of the woods, but i'm not so goddamn naive as to think that means the folks there are immediately going to forget about us and we'll actually BE safer- mostly they just need a hate-fuck subsitute - take iran for example - the current hatred they have for us is essentially the same thing they had for the brits, who we replaced - in the end, if we want to be safer, we gotta convince the towelheads there's somebody better to detest than us

fuck the volcanoes - or the real-deal n cascade steep summer snow/ice experience, the ne face of redoubt's gotta be da ticket

language like that will just never fly at the fucking kennedy center

gold star for purty poetry dude!

William S. Burroughs this quote makes me almost able to forgive him for "the naked lunch," no doubt the worst choice of book ever for a 10 day solo hike on the appalachian trail

fork yeah!

can't be geniune - it'd have some coarse shit from yours truly on it otherwise...

best advice is don't fall - even on pretty easy shit carry an extra axe or pole in your other hand to enhance stabilty and observe rule #1

you forgot about the great room service IN the chalets, monsieur! mon dieu!

whaaaa?!?

please keep your spank material to yourself, you sick, twisted perv why not think of it as jb's equivalent of a care bear?

SAVAGE HENRY HAS CASHED HIS CHECK!!!

indeed, and the repubs at least since the early 90s have done an excellent job selling hte word "liberal" as meaning "faggot" and "america-hater" liberalism originally meant extended political rights to all those outside the privileged class - shouldn't we all be liberals?

so what else is new? the graph above shows a pretty stable, damn near unchanging fact. american politics are skewed right with the whole game centering around getting the cows on the fence to fall one way or t'other...