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only a month's take home pay? i'm sure the wife'll be thrilled! i'm considering becoming a buddhist so i can look forward to climbing this, and many other exotic things, in a future life

one day some motherfucker'll invent a teleporter and maybe i'll be able to put in an appearance - sure looks purty....

How many people died during WW1 due to simple bacterial infections, because surgical instruments were not sterilized? How many died due to shock, because there was no anesthetic procedures? Your question is completely moronic and more importantly irrelevant. I think our knowledge about microbiology have advanced in the last 100 years, don't you think. At the time of WW1 people were also dying from typhoid. All we had to do to stop that was to wash our hands after taking a shit. Gee, get a clue... i think you missed the point, but that's assuming both that i understood bill's rather simple post and your more typically byzantine one

didn't see anythign to argue w/, though admittedly before i could read the 2nd half of the article i was dragged off to read the thomas mallory version of king arthur to a bunch of sleepy children and now find meself required to do some honest school work history is made of great grand backdrops and little bit-players who strut n' fret before them - it is always interesting to note that an event, like newport, can summon forth the will to deal w/ a problem that has little bearing on the immediate event at hand - as the article says, this old boy used a rifle, but he could have done the exact same damage w/ a handgun, and there seems little chance of progress on them cutting to his conclusion though, for all his eloquence, he doesn't seem to have a take-away that's any more useful than anybody else...

echoes of thomas hobbes in there...

IF THOMAS PAINE WAS ALIVE TODAY HE WOULD ONLY POST IN CAPS!

my great-grandfather, a tough-as-nails philadelphia full-irish beat-cop (as the family legend tells) died in the great flu pandemic - he was in the prime of life, and never sick a day they said - he died on his couch, as hospitals couldn't do shit but stack you outside the morgue, so everyone stayed home anecdotes aside, the threat of a new flu like that wouldn't be ameliorated (at first at least, as i understand it) by mass vaccines

also, pretty hard to be sure when you wake up in the morning for work if that shitty feeling is a cold, a poor night's sleep, a bit too much wine w/ dinner, etc. even if you take out the economic disincentive for an employee to skip work (and employer incentive not to create a system where folks can easily play hooky), you still have an imperfect mechanism for keeping sick workers home

my virology credentials are in arrears...but i thought many viruses can be communicated even before the infected begins showing clear signs like fevers, congestion, etc.?

seems not unreasonable that an employer could demand that an employee providing a public service be vaccinated - them army boys don't get a lot of choices, for example. flu vaccines are obviously not panaceas, but if you're working in an intensive care unit, it sure makes sense to stack the deck as much in your favor as possible. requiring all citizens to be vaccinated is certainly more orwellian, but that's not the subject here. if there is a critical mass of doctors who think vaccines are bunk, there ought to be a hospital of their's somewhere i imagine where you can work at, if you have the same mentality.

Seriously. seems actually very easy to understand. two parties w/ two different sets of priorities. party A gets control, spends all it can on what it wants. later, party B takes control, inherits all the old spending, much of which it can't make dissappear, but nonetheless rings up all it can according to its own political scheme. throw in some natural and man-made disasters, an electorate that's alwasy some groggy combination of unaware, uninterested or mad-as-hell n' mis-informed, n' maybe a geniune lunatic demagogue or two and see how it all goes, goes, goes!!! results will vary - do not try at home - enjoy for however many decades you can hold on

no, much more likely on. much. more.

having a large companion to hide behind (and out run) don't hurt neither

love that it's the metrosexual yuppie-fuck getting the chop here

1/12 - day#2 - strange day - freezing fog on the wakeup, car shackled in ice at the dawn - geoff at the burger king - high-speed jet through the quiet lull of the gorge, the road dry n' gentle - beacon becalmed, all door discipline disregarded - a great gut-laugh at the peach allah had gracefully cast into our laps - i get all the leads down low - consensus conditions S5 (our ascent of 12/21/12 in recent memory a retard S9, damn near pegging the limit of the possible) - challenging lead conditions for sure still, with sheet-freeze all over, slowly peeling off in the relatively tropical conditions - runnels of run-off bubbling underneath the ice - the sun bursting through the clear air - rumbles of gunfire, pap-pap-pap-pap, a militia-action for certain on the oregon shores - slip-sliding away all over from grassy ledges up - glimpse of the bonneville crick draining into the river, all jizzum-milky, the vas defernes of the columbian cock- exited the long way, the Great Coward wending all to Starboard where he could - a walk down all bathed in rays of a riotous golden orb - jim at the base w/ an old boy - oaths and auguries, threats and Aggravated Assaults considered - an easy orbit back through the steaming warmth of the gorge-winter disbanded, if only for a bit

w/ or w/o weed?

recent ski descent of TC doesn't make it sound in shape for ascending: http://cascadeclimbers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1094272/1

magic!

I just might make it, so long as the wedder won't mess up my make up... dunno 'bout you n' yer history of night climbing!

here's to the final full-moon ascent of the season then - january 27!

still not the same fucking monstrosity as the kitty-thread though

1791, actually, but whatever - the interwebz are for fun goddammit. i've no expectation of a solution so radical - limiting legal weapons to revolvers, shotguns and limited capacity rifles seems the most likely middle ground attainable (but if there's anything liberals suck at, it's negotitating, so the musket-solution is a good starting point!)

I think we can agree that a shot gun or revolver are 1) adequate for home defense and 2) within the spirit of the founders' intentions and the 2nd amendment. All without bringing up the ridiculous proposal to go back to muskets. sure, but a (rifled) musket will still be necessary for the hunters n' beer-bottle menaces of 'merica, no?

Nah! Maybe in Europe. apples n' oranges - that shit is amazing - still, would like to see THAT get done in the dark

i'm from a deep gun culture, so you seem to have me wrong - sure, i don't own a gun, but that's mostly b/c i'm an alcoholic maniac-depressive and realize i'm less likely to kill everyone around me and myself if i instead rely on a babe-ruth baseball bat and good humor to handle the violent challenges of my domestic life abuse the 1st amendment and you make a man wail. abuse the 2nd and you make a whole community cry. so long as you're happy though...