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Even Suhdguru recommended voting for "CHANGE". I will do my Yoga on a mountaintop. "Free at last, Free at last! Thank God almighty, We are free at last!"

Hey, that is "FW" on that hard hat. Are you coming out Fairweather?

Good post Pindude! Thanks for the refresher.

. I aren't either. Onion head Jeez

First intelligent thing you've said in a long time. maybe first let's abolish corporate welfare. didn't we just spend 700 billions of dollars on corporate welfare? even more- 70 billions of dollars will be spent on upper management compensations- if this is not a welfare, i don't know what is! the point is that the expense of welfare spent on individuals is ten fold smaller then all the corporate bail-outs, tax giveaways, loopholes. how about 1 million dollar bus stops (compliments of ted stevens)? how about no-bid contracts for Haliburton? how about tax brakes for corporations moving their operations to china? It is not the money I am concerned about so much as the number of kids who get a bad start. Otherwise I agree with you. Fairweather, you are so far to the right I don't think you would agree with my full stand on socialism.

Welfare is a shambles and an embarassment to the Democratic party. Not because of what it tries to do nor because it is socialism. But because it teaches successive generations that working for a living is stupid. The welfare system needs a major overhaul. Most welfare recipients should be REQUIRED TO WORK to get anything beyond basic bread and cheese imo. Half of them could be watching the kids from the other half while the second half works in the welfare office for all I care. My point is that kids need to see that their parents have to work to earn a living.

We keep hearing about a train wreck but we have had 8 years of an administration that will stop at nothing to get its way. It might not matter who gets the most votes.

Didn't those Republican Watergate burglars pose as plumbers to get in? Then we got Joe the plumber who espouses the republican mantra of facts and science are bogus. How are we gonna get richer offa this? Now we have Fairweather the plumber. After several years of being told we are "unpatriotic" for not supporting the war in Iraq by our president, after our vice president publicly identified the whistle blower in the Abu Garub scandal (in effect, tried to get him killed), After that same VP outed a CIA operative and got her most if not all of her former contacts killed, NOW, NOW, Fairweather the plumber wants us to condemn Obama for publically disagreeing with Joe the plumber. I have to ask you Fairweather, what is Joe the Plumber losing here? What is he at risk of by Obobma disagreeing with him?

X-mas is early most years. But there are still turns up high. Sometimes you have to find wind blown gullies etc but other times, X-mas is great skiing. Lookout is a really good area. Stop on the FS raod that head s on the east side of the slode right off the freeway exit. Sometimes the road is drivable. Usually not. Snow mobilers use it a lot. Be nice and bumb a ride. They usually do not get into the areas that are really fun to ski. Just keep heading south and it gets better and better. If you do not have a snowmobile ride, stay high. Other areas are numerous. Snow bowl off the back side of point 6. Whishard Ridge up the Blackfoot. Lolo pk, Little St Joe, St Marys pk. are all pretty good entry level runs. Pretty much every east-west ridge in the Bitterroot but be selective depending on your adventure quotient. I often found early snow in the gullies on the north aspects. And you are really on your own out there. Chances of someone finding you before you freeze hard as a rock are slim.

Reagoniass was the "Philosopher of the Republic" extrordinaire long before your days son. He was the original "thinker" in contemporary republican philosophia. It was Reagoniass who founded the great principles of the movement such as "The unemployed don't work because they don't want to." and "there is nothing wrong with the economy". He had an uncanny knack for cutting to the core of the issue as seen from far away. His statements were made with a flair and pannashe that carried the day. There was no need for facts. It was a simpler time. A time when dumbasses could walk with their heads held high in public places. A time when they could even become Supreme Court Justices. A time in which Ann Rande would have felt plagerized. But alass, it was not to last. For the evil empires of science and democracy barked and nipped at his heels like jackals in the night. His memory did not fade for a long time and even still holds a high place in circles of the ignorant and rich. Would that they all could have stayed that way.

"Go out and get informed" Joe the Plumber Good advice for Joe.

To argue with that would be picking nits. I am just not on board with personally dissing the people who serve. While some are clearly dorks, the reason(s) most serve is honorable. AK makes some statements here that I strongly disagree with but I will not dis him for being in the military. Especially while he is in a combat zone or about to enter one. I am not saying that you do attack AK for being a soldier. Just that your posts could be perceived as such. Sorry if I misunderstood.

It is nice work. I just want to rub it till it goes off.

This hasn't been the case since the War of 1812. So you are for completely dissolving the US military?

I am not particularly enamoured of military solutions but if we, the US, did not have a strong military the world would be way worse off than it is now. The current administration has forsaken diplomacy and uses the military like a school yard bully. This is wrong. But to disrespect those who have joined the military for the nessessary defense of our country and it's national security is just as wrong.

I'm dressing up as a republican . I'll wear a suit, steal candy from the littlest kids in the central district and give it to the teenagers on the Sammamish platue. After all, that candy was probably bought with food stamps so it really is my money.

Cool. But I could do that in my 16' Spindthrift.

Put em back in your pants boys.

That's more palatable than Lars pooping on his own face with this tired thread.

Nicely put.

Wow, that's a whole lotta taxes! And all that profit for those evil shareholders? Take a look at your 401k--it's probably one of the only bright spots. Don't know what 2008 looks like for the taxes v profits picture, but feel free to research. Obama wants to impose a 'windfall profits' tax? All he'll be doing is stealing from investors like you and me and forcing still more companies to move offshore. Cute picture there FW. Too bad it is sooo inaccurate. See, if you are going to compare profits to taxes the economic value has to be calculated which you did not do. That leaves out the impact of the multiplier effect of removing that kind of money directly out of the economy. As usual, you are taking for granted that a gang of eletist oil barons are going to paint an honest picture for you. To be clear, that blue bar should be higher by 28 billion and the brown bar higher by 30 billion. And no that is not a lot of taxes for the military protections and government leases they get with no price tag. Do you understand economics at all FW? Do you know what the multiplier effect is? That is when you put $1 dollar into the general economy and it generates a multiple of transactions. That is called "volume of transactions". The lower the volume of transactions, the fewer oportunities for profit there are. The fewer profits there are, the less disposable income there is and the tailspin starts. So you might ask why oil profits do not count in this effect. It is because most oil stocks are held by an elite few who will not buy more or fewer consumable goods realative to their annual income. The net effect is that the money is removed from circulation in the overall economy and the volume of transactions deminishes by a mutliple of that amount. To sum it up, my entire 401k would be healthier if it were not for the huge gouge oil and gas prices are taking out of the economy. Combined with the deregulation of lending and the SEC oversight slacking off and you come up with economic suicide. You and your ilk are sure to find a way to blame this whole mess on the liberals. You poor, poor, mistreated republicans. You have control of all three branches of government for 6 years and two branches for the remaining 2 and you still get out-smarted by the democrats who foil you plans that otherwise would have worked just fine. I'll bet you don't take responsibility for anthing. You got your pipe dream for the last eight years and it failed. It failed miserably. Man up you fool.

Ak, you are getting wrapped up in a small fraction of the gist of this thread. The arguement is not whether or not YOU are a competent soldier (correct me if I am wrong Tvash). It is about the proper or improper application of military force. Regardless of whether or not Saddam was a bad man, invading a sovereign state without provocation is illegal. President George Bush broke with what most of the rest of the free world considers a fundamental building block for global peace. What's more, there are better ways to get rid of a dictator. Undermining the hard fought infrastructure of the intelligence community the way Cheney did (and GW backed him up 110%) was Treason. I am sure that is why Cheney now has a new home in Dubai. My guess is he will reside there until he dies. May it be a long and painful death. Bone Cancer perhaps. Or something undignified like bowel twitches.

There is also North Face of N Trapper. Long day. 5.9 slab near the top but the rest is a real cruise. Just be ready for a long cruise. The approach and raoute start are a little hard to describe and I have not been up there for over 20 years so I will not even try. Basically, look at the map, figure out how to get to the base of the NF, and go to a section just left of middle.

Because his ignorance knows no bounds. Tax Table