Terminal_Gravity

I'll be there. Whose coming? Later

Thanks, erden. I wish you and Göran's loved one's heartfelt condolences.

This is certainly a sensitive subject. I apologize in advance if I am pushing a point on a subject that carries to much pain and emotion. What was the rope??? IMO, this is the single most critical question that needs to be answered to help explain the accident. I have to say that it should have been answered by now. It can't be as difficult of a question as any of the others. If anyone can lay this question to rest, please do so. Thanks - TG

Come on people; do it. Let the others know when you have sent a note to the forest circus by saying so on this thread. Thanks

quote: Originally posted by iain: I have a meeting at 7pm on Thurs but might stop by after. Is that an AA meeting you have? Those things always make me feel like going out for a couple of drinks.

Rose & Raindrip...532 SE Grand...238-6996 I'll buy the first pitcher of Fest...that and a shot of Maker's (and a half rack of oysters) should be just about be enough for me. Sorry, Wdietsch; didn't mean to make you look like a dick (your words, not mine). I bet the R&R has that crazy Yakama beer of your youth.

How 'bout The Rose & Raindrop? They have my IPA, ESG and my personal favorite the Festivale. Plenty of room, not to much smoke and should be easy to get to for the westsiders but is still in SE.

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quote: Originally posted by Winter: If TG comes do we get free IPA from Pro Row?! Come on DFA ... or are you really just trask? Sorry Winter, No free IPA at Pro Row. But for every Pint you buy I get 17 cents toward buying myself a new set of ice tools! I'll be there...

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This is a truly important issue. Hyalite is arguably the best ice climbing area in the lower 48. It is imperative that it stay open. Please help the climbers of the area keep their local area open and help secure the the future of your ability to climb there. It is absolutely worth the effort. Thanks in advance - TG [ 11-18-2002, 08:46 AM: Message edited by: Terminal Gravity ]

Thread Drift. I'm down for the 21st if any one is into it.

Thanks, all of you, for the kudos. (god, I hate that yuppie word) Thank you very much rbw1966 for letting me know about Jonathon Nicholes artical. I had missed it and I owe you. Maybe I'll be your belay bitch for a FA of this 250 foot WI5/6 that is forming up out here (as a token of my appreciation ). DFA ... at the risk of being a shameless self promoter; below is a partial list of where you can find my beer. Corvalis Lucky Noodle Sixth St Grill Tryon Creek Grill Clark's Liberator Brewing Co. Hawk Creek Cafe Big River Retaurant Bombs Awy Cafe Fox and Firkin McMenamin's, Corvallis Squirrels Suds n Suds Eugene Cornucopia17th St Market Good Times Highlands Jo Fed's Pizza Research Institute Rennies's Landing Ring Of Fire Sam Bond's Garage Taylors Wetlands WOW Hall Portland Angelo's Ash Street Saloon Aztec Willie's Bella Faccia Pizzaria Belmont's Inn Beulahland Bitter End Bugatti's Pizzaria Campbell Productions Caprail's Bistro & Wine Claudia's County Cork Public House Dublin Pub & Restaurant Good Foot Lounge Hanigan Tavern Heathman Hotel & Restaurant Horse Brass Pub Iron Horse Restaurant John's Market Katie O'Briens Kelly's Olympian M. Bar Mickey Finn's-Sunnyside Micky Finn's Woodstock Murray's Pizza Old Chicago-Tanasborne Old Chicago-Gresham Old Chicago-82nd Old Lair Hill Market Old Market Pub & Brewery Paddy's Bar & Grill Paragon Restaurant Port Halling Produce Row Pub At The End Of The Universe Rouge Ales Public House Rose and Raindrop Shanny's Tavern Snake & Weasel Springwater Grill Three Square Grill Whatever Lounge The Horse Brass & Rose and Raindrop have a few different handles. Squirrels sells the most and Buelahland has been our most loyal account. Cheers - TG (steve) [ 11-15-2002, 01:10 PM: Message edited by: Terminal Gravity ]

Nice post, Wallstein! I can relate. I summited Aconcaugua (effectively solo) around the same time you were down there but I feel that the trip was close to a total failure. Admitedly fun but a mountaineering failure. Willstrickland & I bailed off the N face of hood later that year pretty high up because of percieved slab avy danger. In retrospect I think the conditions were reasonable but we climbed well together and made a decision that was prudent at the time. I feel that the trip (if not the summit) was a success. I have one different attitude. I never try to defeat a mountain or a wall. They are my friends, my best partner. It is the mountain that I partner with to fight against gravity (and gravities buddy the weather). After all, Mountains fight gravity and weather all the time. They are the best at it. I try to be humble and learn from the mountains, their inherent and almost timeless strength against gravity. Cheers - steve

Thanks all. Don't get me wrong; I don't have an un-healthy infatuation with Münter Hitches, I just like to have as many well thought out tricks up my sleave as possible. Cheers -

Imagine what they could have done with GU & Goretex! Their eatin nuts & berries...they auta be more careful...their settin a bad example.

quote: Originally posted by Lambone: Term, I ussualy use two seperate munters on one big biner. Seems to work fine, and the ropes act independently. Anyone suggets otherwise? Mattp says above 2 ropes in the same knot. I assume that means the ropes run parrallel through the 'biner. I have tried this at home at it seems to work fine unless I have to pull one rope for a ways by itself if the other isn't tensioned. Lammie, are you suggesting that you tie two separate hitches? I would have never thunk that. Does it work? do they each flip independantly. I think that with a dilegent belayer any of these systems is safe. I am more concerned with ease of use and the avoidance of a cluster fuck. thanks - tg

Does anybody have any sage input or experience on the use of 2 ropes & Münter hitches for belay? If a climber is not making a gumby mistake, like the knot won't flip 'cause the biner is not big enough, is there any reason not to use the two ropes through a pear 'biner....or is it better to use them though separate biners? It strikes me that with a twin set-up 2 biners would be better but with halfs a single would be better. Any comments (or spray)?

Thanks all...Good Info. I am heading to Vera Cruz, Oaxaca, the beaches west of Puerto Angel and ( of course ) Orizaba. One question. Why not drive at Night. I have heard this so many times; but never why. Is it the potholes and stray livestock or is it more serious? I have driven plenty in Baja (even at night) and didn't have any real problems but I have never driven in the interior. [ 10-31-2002, 12:40 PM: Message edited by: Terminal Gravity ]

Thanks Rob. I hope to make a PDX pub Club some time soon. Usually Thursdays are the only night I'm there. Maybe the 14th?

I'm heading to southern and eastern Mexico for a month mid December with the family. I've decided that the flexibility and cost savings of flying 3 people (& gear) is worth the gas, wear & tear and fear I have of driving (and parking) in the southern lands. My rig is new enough and tough enough to be reliable but old enough that I don't care if it gets a bit abused. Does anybody have any words of wisdom, quixotic experiences or spray to share?

quote: Originally posted by texplorer: Real mountain routes are too hard to be luggin up a pair of heavy skis on your back. Yeah, What He said. Besides, I'm a shitty skier. "Tele" is an excuse for not moving forward past the paleolithic & getting randonee gear.

Jameson & Coffee.

Thanks, Rodchester. That was interesting to me. (Although not as interesting as wether or not the rope was static)

quote: Originally posted by iain: summer: Toyo Open Country winter: Wild Country TXR, studded Second