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Can't handle a little teasing PP? Just having some fun with SpecialEd's comment. But I do think that it's not too far from the truth about some of the alpinist/climber guys I know. They're into their climbing goals and hanging with the buddies.

Woohoo! The Haws are up above 20000. We're still in 24th place. Let's try to overtake the 23rd place team (Falcon's I think) in the next 24 hours. They're only ahead by about 700 cans. Click away.

Fern you totally crack me up!

2-I've got one road and one mt. But thinking of selling the mountain bike. Anyone interested? 18" hand built Klein Attitude Race. Great components, Judy front shock, super lightweight (17#s) = climbs hills by itself. New $2400 back in 1997. Will sell for fair price. Send me a pm.

Al Pine - I've already given you too much beta... BTW if you and the family are headed south for Turkey day send me a pm and I'll give you the beta on the Central Cal pub club.

Or golf. like golfers get laid? oh wait....maybe they do Viagra rival Cialis to sponsor PGA Tour By Mark Jewell, The Associated Press INDIANAPOLIS — The makers of a new anti-impotence drug said Wednesday they had reached a sponsorship deal with the PGA Tour, staking out a marketing niche in golf to compete with rivals' deals in professional football and baseball. I guess golfers just need a little "help". Just please don't get Tider Woods to be your spokesperson. That might hurt the sport altogether. "...research shows that young golfers need a little "help" in the bedroom dept. The cause for this is unknown. Researchers will be looking into the issue with interest, considering how popular the sport has become with young men who idolize Tiger Woods."

May not be ready to manage it, but if guiding was seen as a viable career as it is in Canada and Europe maybe the level of professionalism would increase and guides/companies could actually make money. Unfortunately it is viewed by our society as a fringe, slacker occupation between undergraduate and grad school or a way to avoid getting a real job altogether.

Yeah...overtime they tend to become introverted, shoegazing, types that are more comfortable hanging with their male buddies than having a conversation, let alone a relationship with a chick. This is particularly true if alpinism attracts them early in their development. Too much

My parents had this huge station wagon when I was younger. The drivers tester took me to one of the narrowest streets in town and told me to do a 3 point turn. I had to do a 4 point turn and got marked down for it.

Yak is the most exotic I've eaten. Behind that it's elk or road kill deer. For people who like exotics, you'll have to get out next time we have a pub club at the Kort House. They have many exotic burgers on the menu, aligator, yak, black bear, elk, buffalo, venison, and more... So TG, I'm curious about this lizard story. Care to elaborate?

I don't think the Lizard chimney is hard (anymore), just seems like a lot of other people do. Of all the climbs I've heard excuses about, that is probably #1 . Where do you put a #2 camalot on that? You're not talking about Blockbuster being an advantage to being short are you? I think tall helps on that one. A lot of these climbs people are mentioning have a trick to 'em, like Blockbuster and Canary P1, and I guess even Lizard chimney. Once you figure out the trick the rating seems a bit more in line with the norm. Hi Chuck. Too bad they complain about that pitch. It is one of my favorite at Index. #2 cam protects the belay. At the top part before the reach to the ledge it is still decent tight hands for me. If #2 is tight hands for someone, I bet that they get crappy fingers or tips up higher. Nope on your q. about Blockbuster. Was still talking about the buttlips chimney on the Lizard. For me the distance between my knee and my foot is the perfect length for solid chimney knee bars. I've seen taller people have to try to get up it at the wider portion where it really wants to poop you out.

There are public service announcements in a lot of cities in CA. Not making it a race thing, but I think it has something to do with how the hispanic population celebrates New Years. There are a few incidents of the bullet coming through the roof of someone's house and killing them. When I was down in S. America for New Years 2001, the Argentinians in the camp next to us were heating up spent fuel canisters to celebrate. Made some really big explosion sounds. I thought they might blow themselves up.

Just make sure to check the "Born on" date and you'll be fine.

NEWSTIPS - Personally I think it is about time that the RMI monopoly die. But there are stories of much higher interest IMO. As a group we've brought up the Fee Demo program and it's abuses almost everytime we've been asked for story ideas. When are we going to see a story about that? It'd also be nice for someone to do a story on the environmental law and regulatory changes/repeals that Bush has done since entering office, and their impact on our environment. I think that this would be news the whole PNW would be interested in. See this thread for some discussion and links to articles in the print media.

Okay you two. Enough foreplay already. Just go eachother already!

I think I read about this conversation in the Overheard column in the latest issue of Indoor Climber magazine.

I only did one run on Chair 8 cause it was really skiied out and pretty icy. Let me know next time you make the trek and maybe we can carpool.

No, about half that much, or even less. Changing a diaper is not as bad as everybody makes it out to be. Pretty simple and painless, actually. I'd rather do that then try to give them medicine. Think about how many times you eat per day and how many times you go. The proportion is pretty similar.

Bringing this back to the top. You can do this everday until the end of the year to help with the canned food donations. Comeone everyone, let's get that Seahawks total clicks up above 30,000. We can do it!

Just saw this flick and liked it. It was less disturbing than I expected. I found the ads for violent video games before the movie to be kinda weird. The scene where the girls go barf in unison isn't that contrived. It's been a few years since I was a high school chick, but we did tend to run in packs and pretty much did the same things. Thankfully my crowd wasn't into being bulemic. One thing that I thought was well done was the fact that pretty much all the kids seemed like "normal" teenagers from the outside. Even the two guys that blew everything up. I'm not sure anyone would be able to tell their plan based on their behavior... Maybe that's what Van Sant wanted us to think about. I would have expected more panic from the other students and more curiosity from the teachers and others about what was happening when the first few shots were being fired.

Back to the original thread topic... Back in Nov/Dec 2001 the the Center for Pulic Law and Health (a committee under the CDC formed in 10/00) met to create legislation to help the government deal with bioterrorism threat. They came up with the Model Emergency Health Powers Act. This is a scary piece of legislation that the federal government has been encouraging states to adopt. Basically it is a legal framework that allows a governor to declare martial law if there is belived to be a bioterror threat in his/her state. Here's a synopsis from an article published last year on a larger topic : "After working only 18 days, on Nov. 23 CLPH released a 40-page document called the Model Emergency Health Powers Act (MEHPA). This was a "model" law that HHS is suggesting be enacted by the 50 states to handle future public health emergencies such as bioterrorism. A revised version was released on Dec. 21 containing more specific definitions of "public health emergency" as it pertains to bioterrorism and biologic agents, and includes language for those states that want to use the act for chemical, nuclear or natural disasters. According to the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS), after declaring a "public health emergency", and without consulting with public health authorities, law enforcement, the legislature or courts, a state governor using MEHPA, or anyone he/she decides to empower, can among many things: - Require any individual to be vaccinated. Refusal constitutes a crime and will result in quarantine. - Require any individual to undergo specific medical treatment. Refusal constitutes a crime and will result in quarantine. - Seize any property, including real estate, food, medicine, fuel or clothing, an official thinks necessary to handle the emergency. - Seize and destroy any property alleged to be hazardous. There will be no compensation or recourse. - Draft you or your business into state service. - Impose rationing, price controls, quotas and transportation controls. - Suspend any state law, regulation or rule that is thought to interfere with handling the declared emergency. When the federal government wanted the states to enact the 55 mph speed limit, they coerced the states using the threat of withholding federal monies. The same tactic will likely be used with MEHPA. As of this writing the law has been passed in Kentucky. According to AAPS, it has been introduced in the legislatures of Arizona, California, Delaware, Illinois, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Mississippi, Michigan, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Pennsylvania and Tennessee. It is expected to be introduced shortly in Colorado, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maine, and Wisconsin. MEHPA is being evaluated by the executive branches in North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Texas, Virginia and Washington, DC."

MisterE - I think that the state currently suing the manufacturers/users of MTBE is New Hampshire or Vermont. And Catbird - leaking tanks are one issue that may have poisoned ground water, but small watercrafts on lakes are one of the primary reasons that many of the lakes in CA are contaminated. Their 2-stroke engines are not efficient at burning gas and it leaks into the water. A few years ago when several lakes in CA that were primarily used as drinking water storage tried to ban use of these jetskis and similar watercraft on the lakes (some of them not yet contaminated) there was outrage from the user communities and industry.

It's 5.7/5.8 guys. And the pro is good. You just need to improve your chimney technique. Although I can see if you're taller than 5.5 and #2 camalots are tight hands for you maybe it would feel harder. Just remember that for us littler people, those "perfect hand/fist jams" like on the flake of Godzilla or on Rattletale are not very secure for us. But we don't get to re-rate the climbs... It think the grades are different for people of different sizes. Maybe we should have a grade system based on different heights and hand sizes.

I've used one during aid climbs. The hardest part is getting used to relaxing your pee muscles while standing. Not something we're used to. Keep a plastic ziploc bag with you to store it in while on-route. A note to bramayama: Women can safely pee without a freshette by undoing their leg loops and remaining tied in. There is no reason to untie from the rope to relieve yourself (male or female) if there is some kind of objective danger. The other people on the rope can turn the other way and provide some privacy. The Wild Roses/Arc'terryx pee system works great. That's how I pee on a glacier climb without having to undress or undo my harness. Works great and is pretty discrete, and is more convenient than a freshette would be IMO.