chelle

There are public service announcements in a lot of cities in CA. Not making it a race thing, but I think it has something to do with how the hispanic population celebrates New Years. There are a few incidents of the bullet coming through the roof of someone's house and killing them. When I was down in S. America for New Years 2001, the Argentinians in the camp next to us were heating up spent fuel canisters to celebrate. Made some really big explosion sounds. I thought they might blow themselves up.

Just make sure to check the "Born on" date and you'll be fine.

NEWSTIPS - Personally I think it is about time that the RMI monopoly die. But there are stories of much higher interest IMO. As a group we've brought up the Fee Demo program and it's abuses almost everytime we've been asked for story ideas. When are we going to see a story about that? It'd also be nice for someone to do a story on the environmental law and regulatory changes/repeals that Bush has done since entering office, and their impact on our environment. I think that this would be news the whole PNW would be interested in. See this thread for some discussion and links to articles in the print media.

Okay you two. Enough foreplay already. Just go eachother already!

I think I read about this conversation in the Overheard column in the latest issue of Indoor Climber magazine.

I only did one run on Chair 8 cause it was really skiied out and pretty icy. Let me know next time you make the trek and maybe we can carpool.

No, about half that much, or even less. Changing a diaper is not as bad as everybody makes it out to be. Pretty simple and painless, actually. I'd rather do that then try to give them medicine. Think about how many times you eat per day and how many times you go. The proportion is pretty similar.

Bringing this back to the top. You can do this everday until the end of the year to help with the canned food donations. Comeone everyone, let's get that Seahawks total clicks up above 30,000. We can do it!

Just saw this flick and liked it. It was less disturbing than I expected. I found the ads for violent video games before the movie to be kinda weird. The scene where the girls go barf in unison isn't that contrived. It's been a few years since I was a high school chick, but we did tend to run in packs and pretty much did the same things. Thankfully my crowd wasn't into being bulemic. One thing that I thought was well done was the fact that pretty much all the kids seemed like "normal" teenagers from the outside. Even the two guys that blew everything up. I'm not sure anyone would be able to tell their plan based on their behavior... Maybe that's what Van Sant wanted us to think about. I would have expected more panic from the other students and more curiosity from the teachers and others about what was happening when the first few shots were being fired.

Back to the original thread topic... Back in Nov/Dec 2001 the the Center for Pulic Law and Health (a committee under the CDC formed in 10/00) met to create legislation to help the government deal with bioterrorism threat. They came up with the Model Emergency Health Powers Act. This is a scary piece of legislation that the federal government has been encouraging states to adopt. Basically it is a legal framework that allows a governor to declare martial law if there is belived to be a bioterror threat in his/her state. Here's a synopsis from an article published last year on a larger topic : "After working only 18 days, on Nov. 23 CLPH released a 40-page document called the Model Emergency Health Powers Act (MEHPA). This was a "model" law that HHS is suggesting be enacted by the 50 states to handle future public health emergencies such as bioterrorism. A revised version was released on Dec. 21 containing more specific definitions of "public health emergency" as it pertains to bioterrorism and biologic agents, and includes language for those states that want to use the act for chemical, nuclear or natural disasters. According to the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS), after declaring a "public health emergency", and without consulting with public health authorities, law enforcement, the legislature or courts, a state governor using MEHPA, or anyone he/she decides to empower, can among many things: - Require any individual to be vaccinated. Refusal constitutes a crime and will result in quarantine. - Require any individual to undergo specific medical treatment. Refusal constitutes a crime and will result in quarantine. - Seize any property, including real estate, food, medicine, fuel or clothing, an official thinks necessary to handle the emergency. - Seize and destroy any property alleged to be hazardous. There will be no compensation or recourse. - Draft you or your business into state service. - Impose rationing, price controls, quotas and transportation controls. - Suspend any state law, regulation or rule that is thought to interfere with handling the declared emergency. When the federal government wanted the states to enact the 55 mph speed limit, they coerced the states using the threat of withholding federal monies. The same tactic will likely be used with MEHPA. As of this writing the law has been passed in Kentucky. According to AAPS, it has been introduced in the legislatures of Arizona, California, Delaware, Illinois, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Mississippi, Michigan, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Pennsylvania and Tennessee. It is expected to be introduced shortly in Colorado, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maine, and Wisconsin. MEHPA is being evaluated by the executive branches in North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Texas, Virginia and Washington, DC."

MisterE - I think that the state currently suing the manufacturers/users of MTBE is New Hampshire or Vermont. And Catbird - leaking tanks are one issue that may have poisoned ground water, but small watercrafts on lakes are one of the primary reasons that many of the lakes in CA are contaminated. Their 2-stroke engines are not efficient at burning gas and it leaks into the water. A few years ago when several lakes in CA that were primarily used as drinking water storage tried to ban use of these jetskis and similar watercraft on the lakes (some of them not yet contaminated) there was outrage from the user communities and industry.

It's 5.7/5.8 guys. And the pro is good. You just need to improve your chimney technique. Although I can see if you're taller than 5.5 and #2 camalots are tight hands for you maybe it would feel harder. Just remember that for us littler people, those "perfect hand/fist jams" like on the flake of Godzilla or on Rattletale are not very secure for us. But we don't get to re-rate the climbs... It think the grades are different for people of different sizes. Maybe we should have a grade system based on different heights and hand sizes.

I've used one during aid climbs. The hardest part is getting used to relaxing your pee muscles while standing. Not something we're used to. Keep a plastic ziploc bag with you to store it in while on-route. A note to bramayama: Women can safely pee without a freshette by undoing their leg loops and remaining tied in. There is no reason to untie from the rope to relieve yourself (male or female) if there is some kind of objective danger. The other people on the rope can turn the other way and provide some privacy. The Wild Roses/Arc'terryx pee system works great. That's how I pee on a glacier climb without having to undress or undo my harness. Works great and is pretty discrete, and is more convenient than a freshette would be IMO.

Guys...Did you read the small type or just click your favorite team's helmet? You may not like the local team but by clicking on their helmet you will be helping charities in our neighborhoods. Let's try to raise the Seahawks in the overall clicks score and feed more people here in the PNW.

$46 for 1 year, $88 for two in the US. I got this publication this year and did not renew my R&I and Climbing subscriptions. I think I actually ended up saving a few bucks, and I will have fewer crappy articles and way fewer ads to wade through. Bummer is it only comes 4 times a year.

Don't know whether it's true, but sounds interesting. I have a friend at school who works at a hotel. I'll ask him and let you know. In the meantime if you're not using your work address and a corporate card you don't really care is stolen, why not destroy the card if there is no penalty for it?

That's why the Dems are putting on a good old fashioned filibuster. The worst provision is one which gives blanket protection from lawsuits to gasoline manufacturers who use MTBE in their formulations. MTBE contaminates water and it's strong smell and taste renders the water undrinkable. MTBE is also being implicated in increased cancers and other health problems. It's a poison that was poorly researched when it was rushed to implementation as a necessary addidtive to gas in areas with poor air quality. This is one more blatant attempt to help big business at the expense of joe/jane public. I give kudos to John McCain and other republicans who oppose the bill and supported the filibuster. Democrats who support such a bad piece of legislation because their constituents grow corn should be ashamed IMO.

I had bare feet too, but thought I'd spare people the full horror I experienced when I was younger (I think I was about 10 at the time).

The "front"country was fun today. A little icy at times but not too bad, except right off the chair :whipeout: Got in 8 runs before my legs felt like toast and I got sloppy. It was way fun to carve turns on the blue runs. Can't wait until next time.

I had an apartment on Queene Anne Hill (seattle), and the cat was the reason that we had rats in there once in a while. The cat would drag a half dead rat into the house, and eventually it would come to and start running all over the place. That cat was bringing you its catch and giving you the satisfaction of the kill. Actually the thing probably never learned how to kill the rats. I think they have to be shown by another cat during the first few months of life. Otherwise they just follow their instinct to chase it and play with it. Believe me, dead baby birds on the doorstep are worse...especially when you don't see them before stepping outside.

I sympathize. What gets me is when people leave their cell phones on when they are out to dinner. And even worse is that they answer them. I couldn't believe how may phones rang last night while I was out. I used to crack up at the people who had to turn their phones on and check voicemail the moment the plane landed and were on the phone before takeoff until the attendants told them they had to turn them off. I always treated the flights on my business trips as a little break from the crummy job and my personal time since I had to be away from home for days. There are only a handful of people who need to be that connected to their business and I'm pretty sure they are not flying coach class on United. They're probably in their private leer jets...

Alex Lowe dropped a rope on my head in Bozeman once...I was pissed...but what could I say. I guess my point is that not-only dolt gumby climbers can be assholes... So are you calling Alex an asshole? That's totally counter to everything I have ever heard about him. I'd be amazed if he didn't apologize to you.

It is so sad that you can't recognize the N. Face of Shuksan. I thought you were a climber...

Yep. Relaxation is the key in the next 6 weeks. Physiology is awesome, it's totally cool to understand how/why stuff in our bodies works. It was one of the prereqs so I've already had it.

Thanks everybody. Staying in Seattle, thankfully! Going to Shoreline.