Fairweather

I'm thinking about carrying my mountain bike up the south spur of Mount Adams this summer. Who's in?

It's still available on DVD or VHS.

One is in college and has a commie roommate! So far, she hasn't gone postal. But thanks for the parenting tip! How old are your kids? I'm not opposed to choice or birth control, but I think that the foster care system could use some improvement as evidenced by your foul existence. BTW, that's spelled h-y-p-o-c-r-i-s-y. Make a note of it before you file your next obnoxious brief. How is it relevant? Does one's service record, or lack of, exclude them from the arena of ideas? And why are you so anxious to defend RBW? Are you and he intimate? Actually, I'm dissapointed. I thought you could have been much more vicious. Step up! You're an attorney, for God's sake!

Now THIS was a photo-op....

Actually, AK, the sight of a communist guerilla's execution is a happy image IMO. ...And there you go again, crybabyin' about your first ammendment rights when, in fact, no one on the right has ever suggested press freedoms be curtailed insomuch as their reporting doesn't compromise troop safety ala Jeraldo Rivera. Quite the opposite, in fact. The only ones that [/i] I[/i] ever hear calling for media restrictions are lefties like you who hate talk radio and FOX News. Just remember: If a media outlet expresses its free speech rights via biased reporting and images, it can't claim those same rights are being violated just because viewers decide to change the channel or because watchdog groups cry foul. It's freedom...and it works both ways. And if you really want to talk about press freedom, or lack thereof, we need only look to your socialist paradise up north ... http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/threadz/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/448934/an/0/page/0/gonew/1#UNREAD

Yes. I was very young when I saw it. The blood squirting from the condemned man's head as he fell was shocking. The press at the time played it up as an atrocity, for they were just as one-sided then as they are now. The following might shed a little light on the event, but I'm sure that j_b will remain as inconsistent regarding this press-fairness matter as ever: http://www.treefort.org/~cbdoten/rvntanks/080-4450.htm

Hey, j_b! This is one of my favorites:

My wife and I were hiking the olympic coast with two other couples a few years back. One night we all sat atop the grassy-topped seastack near Sand Point and watched the stars. As my wife and I attempted to identify constellations it became apparent that my friend's date/companion - holder of a B.A. in "women's studies" - had no fucking idea what stars were! In as non-condesending a manner as possible I proceeded to explain to her that most of what she was looking at on this night were distant suns, much like our own. I couldn't tell if she was skeptial, bewildered, or just plain unimpressed. She must have possessed some other, non-mental "abilities" that my friend found worthwhile.

Very true.

I'll agree, Matt. But I believe that balance, for the most part, is currently at hand here in the PNW. Mr Vandeman, on the other hand, is likely less willing to rest until his exclusionary goals regarding recreation/use are achieved. I doubt that the word 'compromise' is part of his lexicon.

Dear Gentlepersons: This Vandeman crackpot makes the rest of you look like the Great Rightwing Horde. (What does that make me? ) And to think...PhD's were once so revered.

You're still not pure enough for the likes of Dr Flash and j_b. I suspect they'll have a cattle car waiting for you and your family immediately after the revolution.

Fuck the military, fuck violence, and fuck your bullshit ideals. Fuck also the flag, and lastly, fuck you. Eat a bag of dicks, you wannabe John Wayne, bourgeois, pseudopatriotic pig. Brilliant. Well stated. Rise up, Dr Flash! Show us the way o' wannabe revolutionary. Surely your words will change the world.

classic strawman argument. nobody argued for increasing poverty in developing nations. say what? depletion of resources and destruction of ecosystems is not "a related problem" but the main topic of discussion in this thread, and despite what your tendencious discourse implies it is principally the doing of developed nations. playing the wittle-fiddle-of-eradicating-poverty-in-developping-nations to justify the continuing policy of resource extraction beyond sustainability is nothing more than demagoguery. what? you are now aguing that conservation will make the difference? this is what you wrote earlier: " The other morsel of irony in the Left fringe's critique of the Right Fringe's ecological track record is that when you look at actual BTU's per household, there's not much difference. You have electric lights, modern appliances, an automobile - etc - just like they do. Hardly enough of a difference to warrant the self righteous grandstanding and condemnation issuing forth from the Left fringe" so which is it going to be: is conservation key or not? you can't have it both ways. your interpretation of "human nature", the supposed desire of some to change it and the means available to address the problems belong to the realm of cartoons. and the demonization goes on ... weak. let's face it, under the pretense of an educated argument you debate like a rightwing thug. j_b, I think it is sad that you respond to JayB's well reasoned and thoughtful points with mockery, condescension, and an accusation of right-wing thuggery. It should be apparent to anyone here who possesses even a modicum of civility that you will never conduct a reasoned debate or cede even the smallest point. And since it is I who is the true right-wing thug, I'll spell it out for your smug little pea-brain: I enjoy my lifestyle. I consider it modest by western standards, but I certainly consume more than my fellow man in, say, Bhutan. I don't, however, buy for one second that he'd be better off without me and my fellow modern consumer around. If someone who shares beliefs like yours ever assumes power and subsequently tries to wholly take away the economic and political freedom I now enjoy, I, and probably the majority of the citizens of this country will respond with violence. Our country possesses the greatest military in the history of the planet, and it's primary purpose is to preserve my way of life. An officer corps that believes in the dream will likely protect my ideals from yours well into the future. So you see, j_b, I'm not at all worried about your smug arguments here. Without the people and the power to back up your dream, you are doing nothing more than wasting keystrokes. Carry on.

Remind me to avoid the concept of compromise here on this board. First time I've ever been called a commie.

such a gift for nuance ... "you are either with us, or against us", right? i have no frickin idea. why do we spend more than 500 billions on "defense" per year? btw, your numbers are grossly inflated. considering that: colombia has 4times the firepower of venez. (thank you taxpayers), "border incidents" are 'per chance' more and more common, there is an ever larger number of "military advisers" and "private contractors" in Colombia, we hear a crescendo of anti-chavez rhetoric in the US media such as continual allegations without an iota of evidence of venez. involvement in colombian politics, etc ... nothing that we haven't seen and heard over and over before. i look forward to your mentioning venez. WMDs to justify your warmongering. give it a rest, will ya? fine, i don't make a habit of confusing the employment of death squads with central/latin american foreign policy. Better dead than [/i]red[/i]. ...Said it then; I say it now too. No apologies. I sleep well, thankyou.

Food for thought: Unless you are ready to assign human presence here on Earth to the existence of a God, then you must grant that humans are a part of this nature here, and our every action is part of a natural evolution. To an atheist or agnostic, we cannot be apart from nature. Somewhat separately: I am coming to the conclusion - completely apart from the global warming debate - that some type of modest, non market based carrot and stick approach (emphasis on carrot) to energy consumption should be adopted here in the US. I would say that a childless Seattle couple living in a 2500+ square foot house is at least as gluttonous as the lone SUV driver. I would also question giving additional, per-child tax credits to couples with more than two or three kids.

I hear it makes good lamp oil.

what, no small talk about exporting democracy today? god forbid if the venezuelans had elected, multiple times, a president that decided what to do with "your oil" ... how do you sleep at night? So what does your pal, Chavez, need all those guns for? Do you suppose it has something to do with Co-lom-bi-a? 30,000 dead there, ya know. How do you sleep at night?

Slam Dunk, JayB. I suspect that Jim, Scott, Catbird, et al, are presently experiencing an overwhelming desire to change the subject and set this thread adrift.

My house was built in 1955, but I was told there was no grandfather clause for crawl space. The last house my wife and I sold didn't meet this code and we spent a week digging/scraping dirt onto a tarp and dragging it out through the access as a condition of sale to the new owners. Of course, it was more of a buyer's market back then. On topic: I wonder what this rich devorcee looks like. Any pics to be had?

You should call the inspector that your realtor/broker hired when you were making your purchase. Code requires at least 18" of crawl in all locations beneath your house. Also, I've found that a 24oz can of Budweiser, consumed before going down there, makes things go much smoother...and the spiders don't seem to be as mean.

Great TR and pics! ...But didn't winter end on 3/21?

While I'm happy to see $$$$ for trail maintenance, I have to wonder how hikers can lay claim to any NOVA dollars. How would we like it if ORV'ers got their hands on Forest Trail Pass Demo Program $$$ ?

I actually had a few support posts fall over beneath our house too. After the quake I noticed several soft spots on my floor and discovered that our hardwood floors had separated in places up to 1/8". Had to get a big bottle jack and lift the joists to get the posts back in place before clamping them. A couple of the cinder blocks are still tilted, but I simply bolted the posts in place anyway. Crawl space digging sucks. Whoever built our place had the foresight to put chain lightbulbs in the crawl space in two locations. Sweet. My dad's place in Steilacoom - only about four miles from the epicenter - had its chimney collapse. That quake was sure a wake-up call. But exactly what does any of this have to do with Alpine K's lurid practice of crawling, face down, on greased black plastic in a dark crawl space or 'social club' on most weekends?