ScottP

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No man is so foolish but he may sometimes give another good counsel, and no man so wise that he may not easily err if he takes no other counsel than his own. He that is taught only by himself has a fool for a master. The edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over.

Who is the "they" you are talking about? The people posting on this thread? I am not responsible for doing the audits and reviews, so I don't know the whole story, but my guess is that not every application gets the third degree. Like most audits, there is probably a random sampling and varying degrees of depth. I'm saying there is accountability built into the system.

I had occasion to see Fred's moves firsthand a few years back at the parking area for 3 O'Clock Rock. We had passed him and his very attractive partner a few hundred yards before the road. As we were sipping a cold one, he and his partner arrive at their car. Fred sidles over, says something like hey good job, gives her a hug and then grabs her ass. My friend Rob shot some suds out his mouth and I almost did the same out my nose. We feigned busyness as Fred was soundly repulsed with a shove and a slap on the shoulder. No luck for Fred, but boy was he smooth.

Yeah, preterm ignition. I felt more and more stupid the further I read .

Movin to Montana

Vomit Launch

I've got the free/reduced lunch form application in front of me right now. Each application requires the social security number of the adult household member signing the application. Without one, the app doesn't get processed. The SSN is then used to "verify correctness of information on the application." (This includes the detailed information about income that is also required on the application.) The verification process is a mix of "audits, program reviews, and investigations that may include contacting employers to determine income" etc. Accountability is in the system already. "The school system has been abusing the lunch program for years." -Such rhetoric really has no basis in fact that I can see.

Note to self: Never tag a summit with Richard Noggin.

Numerous studies have shown that smoking more than doubles the chances of having a stroke.

Amen to that. "We cannot expect people to have respect for law and order until we teach respect to those we have entrusted to enforce the laws." -HST

Dana's arch went clean, (though Rob clipped the bolts on the first pitch). For the Zipper, two pins on the pitch above the scoop to the Perverse Traverse ledge, and I don't remember any being used above. It was a while ago, so the actual type is suspect in my memory, but they were LA/baby angle size.

Is that you Brian? Anyway, I feel Dana's Arch to the top is unfairly eclipsed by it's more obvious neighbors to the east. A worthy route in my book. Also, the upper pitches of the Zipper, though a bit vegetated offer some good aid without the lines/crowds at a reasonable grade. Cummins' guide puts the pitches above the scoop a little to the right of where I believe they should be. Have fun.

I just find it interesting how you can say mean, hateful things in response to other peoples post, but when someone calls bullshit on yours you get all defensive and resort to name calling and this (see above) fantasy play stuff. Just seeking a little equilibrium there Trask old buddy. No need to take it so personally.

Because it's fun. You respond so well and almost never throw the hook.

Do you remember why?

You are ignorant and/or delusional. Either way it is obvious that you don't know what you are talking about. It's not a school system issue.

I've been tobacco free for two years now. I started when I was 14 (I'm 43 now.) Cigs , cigars, plug, snuff, leaf... I used it all. I don't really miss it all that much, though there are strange times I still crave a dip or a smoke; when I'm taking a dump or during a shower, for example. I used the patch and the thought of my kids growing up with a dad who doesn't have a tongue, a lower jaw, or growing up without a dad. I know how tough it is. Good luck kicking it. I hope you do.

Summit of Vesper Peak once and the Tooth twice.

UW rock is more fun in that there are a lot more problems, but there are some very difficult problems on the boulder in question. I moved from that neighborhood about 4 years ago, so I haven't seen it in a while. Is it now posted? It wasn't when I was using it.

Luna it is, but I think ye be wrong on that double summit in the background being Fury. The aspect is wrong from where I shot the pic. From the south, I think Fury would be in the foreground. I'm thinking something up around the Spickard/Redoubt area. I really don't know.

Not Despair. Looking about due north from the southern Picketts though. That low angle ridge in the foreground ought to give it away.

Why do I bother? Anyway...this one might be difficult.

Something really purdy.

Nightmare Needles it is. I think the Flagpole is to the west of those shown in the pic, though it's been a while since I took it. This one might be a little more obscure (though I doubt it considering this group.)