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"Your honor, defense motions for dismissal on the grounds that the prosecution has failed to prove to a legal degree of certainty that the measuring device used was accurate and functioning properly at the time of the arrest."

I'm assuming she got on a C2+ because she felt ready for it because of previous experiences. She took the pins because a prevailing authority (the guidebook) said they might be needed. "I don't know...maybe these are just the standards I hold myself to and I'm trying to impose them on others...maybe so, but so what...why not?" Perhaps reordered thinking i.e. education via advice versus imposing of ethics/morals/standards on others is in order. There's nothing wrong with providing beta/help/advice to those with less experience when the purpose is to help them be a better all around climber. Methinks some reading this thread found "I agree, somebody either just doesn't give a shit about clean climbing, or just ignorant to the area and route their on." to be a little heavy-handed in light of you knowing who it was before you posted. Just my pair of coppers.

The problem I have with this argument is how will you know you're able until you have tested your abilities under the conditions that you need to test them to know that you are now able to do what you're supposed to stay the fuck off of until you're able? "Stay the fuck off the freeway until you are able to drive on the freeway." ehmmic jumped on a route that would test her abilities, got spanked and used tools to see her through that a worthy guidebook advised as applicable ("We only brought them along because of the comment in the guidebook.") My advice to her is to continue pushing her personal limits so she can therefore extend them, and consider Lambone's suggestion of downaiding out of tight spots to a)avoid the loss of gear and b)add that skill to her bag of tricks because it's a useful one. PS "At least Lambone made it to the top of his route!!" = "neener, neener" by proxy

Dude...I could smell shit just viewing that site. Kinda goes along with this one.

One time during my teens when I was taking a toke off a bamboo bong, a seed clogged the thimble we used as a bowl. As I was sucking extra hard to try to pull the seed through the hole, one of my friend reaches over and pulls the thimble out of the stem. The water supercharged into my mouth and lungs and out my nose. I don't know who looked worse, me wretching or my friends roilling on the floor from laughing so hard.

It's a common practice in the Needles of South Dakota where the summits of the pinnacles have no anchors.

priapsim..."heads up"...

The dirt on poo

Does anybody know of any slot canyons in Washington? I have a friend who's into canyoneering and he is looking for good descents closer than Utah/Arizona. He has heard of some in MRNP, but has no details. Thanks

A greasy, stinky roach in the summit register of Guye Peak (caused us trouble on the descent.) A brand new Leatherman tool on the trail into Del Campo. An A5 wall hammer and a pair of plastic boots at the base of Liberty Crack. We left them there figuring someone would be bummed to return from an ascent to find them missing. An entire top rope anchor (tricam, 2 nuts, 5 biners and various slings) buried under a foot of snow at Devils Lake, WI. (I snagged those.) A six pack of dark micro brew (carton and labels missing) stashed under some trees on a summertime Denny Peak/Tooth traverse. A matching pair of rental skis on a tour up to the top of 7th Heaven at Stevens one fine spring day. A black rubber snake on the summit enclosure of the Weaver's Needle in the Superstition Mountains of AZ. (I subsequently used it to scare a stain onto the undies of my herpaphobic partner.) The nearly frozen bodies of two complete idiots near the top of the south face of the Tooth one clear and very cold winter day. They would have most likely died from a bad combination of hypothermia-induced poor judgement, lack of climbing skills and suitable winter clothing, and a setting sun. We left them after making sure they were relatively warm and safe at Pineapple Pass (The Alpental ski patrol knew where they were before we drove home.)

JGowans, I'm not trying to pick a fight with you. I'm just trying to dispel a myth that is stuck in my craw. Sorry for the negative vibes.

I used to have a girlfriend who got 2 months off each summer and a week here and there. Not to mention the various learning days they had when there were no kids in school. That's pretty massive compared to most folks 2 or 3 weeks vacation in the corporate world. I know very few teachers who don't fill that two months with either the state-required professional development or a summer job to augment the table scraps tossed to them by the legislature. And those "learning days" aren't vacation days, they're work days. "Summers off" is a myth.

I'd like to hear more about this "massive vacation time."

"Game over, man! GAME OVER!"

I'm surprised nobody mentioned that granite crag in Renton. approach beta

They're actually called "Fecal Flakes" and they are yummy and nutritious... if you are a microbial mold like Mucor. Otherwise you're sick in the head and pretty much fucked in the intestinal health department.

It depends. What were you using as an anchor?

That whirring noise rocks and ice make when they are falling through space, especially when accompanied by a panicked scream of "ROCK!!!" coming from somewhere above.

Are you trying to make a point?

no. you wrong. dont know ukelele tall. but check the mess i made Yeah, you really ripped them up...thread drift two posts in, and those two posts were dismissive. You're an amateur.

I'm trying to get and idea of an average time for doing Stuart lake trailhead to Snow Creek parking lot in a day. For those of you who've done it (more than once), what was your time (an average of your times?) Data for either direction is appreciated. Thanks.

Bart Paull being one example. I climbed with him once, before he had his drivers license, and he was as solid a climber as they come.

Hooks are aid.