Stefan

Thanks for the trip report, and thanks for solidifying it for me that I will never try that peak!

If you get bored with Mt. Peak try Baldy Hill. The parking lot is the big parking lot across from the Weyerhaeuser Cascade Operations logging mill. In addition, you could mountain bike on the Weyerhaueser property up to Radio Hill or Boise Ridge. Rainier Timber Company which has property east of Buckley and south of the White River will not allow you on their property--you can't even walk on it.

Use the water from the drinking fountains at Narada Falls, Paradise, Sunrise, and White River.

Right you are ehmmic! I just thought to myself, what kind of stupid BS can I add to the SPRAY forum and I found this little desk calendar thing. I think I have found my niche! Here are other niches I have observed: Dwayner has pictures trask has his lust for women Dru has his little devil emiticon ERIK LOVES CAPITAL LETTERS Muffy is a tease Marylou can anger people Caveman is angry a lot Mattp is quite intelligent about rock MountainGoat loves politics JoshK is really Mr. Burns So many of you....I dont have the time to put you on the list above.....

I agree that there are not A LOT of high rock climbers in Washington--even in Squamish. There are some...... Rain. That's the reason. Nobody remembers that it rains a lot up here--especially around Squamish too. Can't get out a hell of a lot even in the spring and fall if its raining. All those other places listed in the original post are some dry places where one can be out in decent weather a good chunk of the time.

Mt. Si is just as bad. Mt. Si is really only a pinnacle like Nooksack Tower, Grizzly Tower, North Index....... Mt. Si is only 247 feet high. The real peak of the Mt. Si "massif" is NE of Mt. Si and is called Dixie Peak.

Living for your fictional self, whether it is the totally dominant force, or just a partial one, is a dangerous state of being that diverts, absorbs, and robs your life energy.

I know of two different parties who have done Agnes. One of them I have their trip report from when they did it in 2001. Since then there were about 20 parties who had signed the summit register.

Oh now I know. I have been near it. The group is called The Needles just east of Washington Pass.

I am unfamiliar with this Tower. Which ridge is this?

Those are all easy peaks compared to some of the peaks surrounding the government installation I believe they call "Area 51". Hell, you'll get shot.

"In flying, I have learned that carelessness and overconfidence are usually far more dangerous than deliberately accepted risks." Wilbur Wright

TO YOU PEOPLE WHO USE AN EDK: Would you still use an EDK in combination with a 9mm and a 7mm static line?

Thanks! Are there diamond tipped drill bits out there that people buy?

Since I don't bolt, I am just wondering--becuase I am ignorant on this issue. On AVERAGE or a RANGE, (yes it depends on the line), how much does it cost ($$) to bolt 150 feet of rock properly?

Whether you know it or not, you may very well have sold out. Typically when we do that, when we sell out, the things we abandon first are the things that matter only to ourselves. Dr. Phil sooooooo not a climber.

Chelan. Small, but not too small becuase it has all the amenities. It has a big lake to swim in. Sun is there for over 300 days a year. Warm too. Not too far from climbing opportunities also. And by the way, great fruit available too!

I don't have answers. Maybe an analogy. In the old days of mountaineering, no one had route information. Now we do. I guess if it weren't for the Beckey books I wouldn't be climbing. Beckey books are like the bolts....

I don't think you argue for bolts. I believe you think there are appropriate places for bolts and there are appropriate places to leave an area totally clean. I think you arguing for style. I can't climb 5.9 and above. Nor do I have the desire to climb higher grades--it's just not me. So when I am climbing 5.8 and below there are usually lots of opportunities to place pro. So I thought to myself: I have seen routes that are bolted that could have been toproped. I thought a rope was there ONLY to catch a climber if they should fall--a backup mechanism. Why would a person NOT want to toprope if given the opportunity? Why would you want to fall 5-10 feet from a bolt? You could twist an ankle spanking a rock. Won't you still be falling off a difficult route if you toproped it? Why fall 5-10 feet when you could fall 1-2 feet? I don't understand the logic of placing bolts when a person can toprope. I don't understand becuase I do not like falling and putting all my trust into rope, harness, the bolt, or for even that matter, a bomber anchor.

Peter Puget. I am not trying to inflict an argument--my writing skills suck so I would lose hand down. I just to know. Really. And maybe you have answered this question before....but I do not know. If there was a new 5.12 route that you saw with little or no places for protection, but you could have it toproped, would you toprope it or would you put bolts in?

I have intercourse with the mountains, so yes, I cheat on my wife too. Yes, I spend the time in the mountains other than with my children. Have I been caught in precarious positions without regard to the future of my children without having a father? Yes. But I have always thought I knew what I was doing. Hell, I almost died last October. This is a hobby. And yes, it is selfish. Balance? Whatever you decide is a balance. At the time you make a decision you will always believe that is the best decision. Why would you ever decide to make a wrong decision? Nice trip report.

Maybe your mutual friends need and want you at the memorial service to help them grieve. Some people don't want to be alone but desire to have others around.

People use bolts becuase they are afraid of falling too far. People hangdog becuase they are afraid of falling too far. I wish more class 4 sections were bolted because I am afraid of falling too far on those sections.

I would take hangdogging over falls anyday. I just couldn't handle the thought of all that stress on my rope...

I love you trask. And you can't take that away from me. Dr. Phil says, "It is always about being there for you, about being your own best friend."