Stefan

I do have a problem with what Carolyn did. It's still not apples and oranges. I view it this way: carolyn took the rope without having the full intention to return it (she was on the fence about her decision). If she didn't intend to return it, then why would she ask if she should keep it? RBW I agree taking stuff to return to the rightfull owner is good and I agree with you on that. At least this story has a positive end. I do hope carolyn feels better for getting the rope to the rightful owner.

For my own personal sanity I'm just going to believe that you are trolling. Not trolling. Some people just aren't that intelligent. Sometimes people forget things. Sometimes people accidently leave things behind. Sometimes people don't know how to be "politically correct" on rocks. Maybe this guide was such a dufuss he did leave shit behind. I would never do that with a rope and most people here on this site wouldn't ever take somebody's rope. You would be a dufuss to take a rope becuase you don't know the history of that rope. But the truth is, you don't know the answer why the rope was taken and neither do I. I would never take somebody's shit. Ever. I just hope the rope gets back to the owner. What I really think happened is that the guy forgot the rope and was going to come back to get it. My example is not apples and oranges either. It has happened.

Maybe the person left the rope there becuase they were coming back the next day to use the rope in the general vicinity or on the same climb. Maybe the person who left the rope trusted other climbers that their stuff would not be taken from the location. I have left a tent at a camping site, knowing I would bivy that night up high. I would then return to my campsite the next day. Yes, I was not at my tent during the night of my bivy, but I sure would be pissed off if someone took my tent, because they thought "I forgot" about it.

It claims to speak for climbers in general. It does not, however, accurately define who I am nor what I may believe about mountaineering values. I'm not part of their "company" nor are a good many climbers I know. - Dwayner I agree. I am not a part of them either and they don't speak for me. It just seems they made this "declaration" for them maybe to set a direction? Maybe the declaration was intended for current and future member of the UIAA and somehow was lost in the translation that it was for all climbers? I don't know....I am just an internet lurker instead of actual participant in the UIAA.

It appears that this declaration is a kind of mission statement. Companies have mission statements who define who they are.

This sounds too "Californian" for me. Although it probably does add something to the economy for the Nepalese. Maybe they will add snowmobiling soon.

Don't forget. $30 is so they can pay rangers to patrol too. It's kind of like the trail park pass. You pay the fee so somebody can go around to trailheads and check to see if you paid.

Back then it didn't have to do with settlement, flags, or who was there. Back then it was whoever could map out the place, could claim it. A map was considered the legal document for the land claim between disputing entities. Since shipgoers were usually tied to their ships, they really could not map out the interior land.

Slothrop is right. I broke both ankles in October. Major problems. Still have one major problem. Here is what the physical therapist had me do. Everthing was in 10s. Meaning 10 repetitions at 10 seconds..... I spelled the alphabet with my toes. As I sat down I physically stretched my feet in the four major directions (front, back, side, side) with my hands. I used a stretchy tube for weight resistance in those four major directions. You can also use a towel. As I sat down watching TV I rolled a beer bottle under my foot back and forth.

REI in Federal Way is selling their stock of Koflach rental boots for $40 now. Quite a lot as of yesterday.

DWAYNER introduced me to this movie: PINK FLAMINGOS. P.S. Don't watch it with someone you are trying to impress.

STAR WARS It was big. Oh yeah, and, THE GOOD, THE BAD, AND THE UGLY.

Anybody seen or know the conditions for accessing Little Tahoma currently (7/30)?

I hope I hear more from you Harry Majors on this website.

I actually heard one month ago that the DEA was going to purchase a special helicopter to patrol the border starting from Idaho to Ross Lake. This was a story I heard on the news. I do not know if the people reporting the news had their facts straight. I never trust the news completely.

Whoa nilly! Good job!

Amazing. You guys continue to amaze me. I live vicariously through you.

Is REI acting like the "Walmart" of the outdoor industry?

The name is correct and the location is not correct. The location of Hinkhouse peak is State Crag in Beckey#3 (the highest point called Index. For those who do not know, the location is directly across from Liberty Bell across the highway. It takes approximately two hours to reach the top of this peak from the overlook. I believe the register on top of this peak was started in 1968 and had only seen 20 or so people sign it since I was there in 1998. Which is quite amazing since it is only 2 hours from a highway.

P.S. I know the answer.

Its rare to give a peak a name after a climber? There was a climber who died on Mt. McKinley in 1995. The Washington Geographic people named a peak after him I believe in 1999. Where is this peak located? (Many of you might be surprised.) What is the name?

Take the lift. Save your joints. Save your energy. You don't always have to chestbeat. Taking the lift allows you to sit back and enjoy the view more.

This is what I use: http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductDisplay?storeId=8000&catalogId=40000008000&productId=47598977&parent_category_rn=4500810 It is a pain to get water in. But it is lighter than the Camelbacks and that's why I chose it. I have no problems with durability becuase I shove it into a pouch that my pack has for bladders.

I always say that there are two primary differences between humans and animals: thumbs and reason. Now we know what you have been doing with your thumbs all this time. What have you been doing with your reason?

Cool pics. I saw a picture one time of somebody wading in a pool of water up there. Did you come across any standing bodies of water up there?