Lambone

I don't despise anyone pope, you are the one who harbors animosity towards other groups of climbers. My speculation is that this fool cares about the rock at vantage. They also are well aware that these bolts will eventually be replaced. So, I assume he wishes to avoid further scaring of the rock by chopping the bolts, yet by stealing the hangers, he still makes the same statement and pisses people off. Peace pal...you can have my hexes! [ 12-03-2001: Message edited by: Lambone ]

hehehehe... Who couldn't see that coming... what took you so long!? [ 12-03-2001: Message edited by: Lambone ]

Yeah and it's generaly not a good idea to belay off of tree roots either, especialy on extreme day hikes at Mt. Si with plastic boots. Never underestimate the dangers of a "way route" while using tree root belays...

Channel 9 says,"Rescuers say the slide is 900 feet across and 600 feet deep." Dam there must be one hell of a crown on that slide! Think they had a 180 meter rope to measure it?!?!?

There you go again dissing on sport climbers. You need to get over yourself pope, you are no better than the rest of us. I would hasten to guess that whoever did this is someone who shares your attitude. The <I am rightious because I do not clip bolts, and I am going to force my will upon others> type. This idiot is not stealing hangers so that he can equip new sport routes... He(or she) is doing it to make some sort of lame ass statement and piss people off. He is just another freak with a big ego who thinks they can change the world.

Thanks to y'all who came and supported the comp! Congrat's to those who scored well and got cool prizes, and I hope a good time was had by all!!! Also, got to give a shout out to all of the folks who volunteered their time and energy to make the comp awsome! And of course, thanks to the sponsors who donated cool stuff to the cause. Cheers BTW- The results will be posted on the VW web site soon...

I think it is more likely that they will put a tram to the summit...For instance, look at Big Sky Ski Resort in Montana. Tram They blasted a level platform for that tram station on the summit with DYNAMITE!

Were the bolts chopped too, or did they just take off the hangers?

snipers, or boobytraps

F&*%k that....[ 12-02-2001: Message edited by: Lambone ]

So there is a new bolt where the flake was. That's sad, a bat hook would have kept the exitement alive...

Whats it look like TG, is there usualy much ice in there?

Hey Scott, when did you do that route? Recently...?

Well, atleast there is some water moving through the table... Thanks for the update Paul! Let us know if things change

Spray while you can suckers...

NICE NICE NICE, see you after finals! Hey, is that C or F. I'm assuming C since you are one of those crazy Canadians. [ 12-02-2001: Message edited by: Lambone ]

quote: Originally posted by jon: BTW for those who care Bonzo can still post just under a different screen name, maybe I'm not such a dick after all. Yep, you can change your name now. I did...there is only one Lambone bitch!

Thanks for bringing up a good topic epb. We needed one around here. I'm sure tommorow the spray sluts will spew all over it. See ya!

I hear ya! We had to bribe the official with a $60 bottle of scotch for our permit! [ 11-29-2001: Message edited by: Lambone ]

quote: Originally posted by epb: Sorry...That last post was posted before I say your new one. Seems like you know exactly what I'm talking about. i.e. Team Quoka or whatever. That's what I saw as well. The whole base camp seemed to be full of team quokos. 2 meter domes tents and all. 8 bags for 5 though, doesn't seem to be that bad though...more like Ghetto fabulous,for Everest any way. [ 11-29-2001: Message edited by: epb ] It wasn't Everest...I wish. Maybe someday. [ 11-29-2001: Message edited by: Lambone ]

I'm not tryin to argue with you epb, But I think it is more complicated than that. You have every right to go on a super light unsupported expidition. But I think that most of the big commercial teams hire lots of Sherpas because their proffesional guides are to busy with clients to do the real work on the mountain. It comes down to the cost of labor. Mountain Maddness or who-ever aint gunna pay three extra American guides to fix ropes when they can pay Sherpas pennies to do the same thing. Either way the ropes gotta get fixed, and the clients sure as hell ain't doin it! Plus, who the hell can afford to climb Everest with out corporate sponsorship and a team of twenty just to split the permit cost! [ 11-29-2001: Message edited by: Lambone ]

Thats cool jon, he was an asshole anyway. But I think next time we should vote on who gets the BOOT! Then it will be all democratic and shit... I vote for Dan Larson.My second vote is for officespace.

Thats cool epb, I wasn't try to say that you don't know whats up...I was just rambeling! Damn, I wanna live in Nepal for 8 months! But I'm not sure if my stomach could handle it...and I like cheeseburgers! Your totaly right... What you see in Vertical Limit isn't that far from the truth-minus the Nitro I think satelite phones and all that bullshit take away from the experience. We were camped next to a team sponsered by Quoka (Mountain Zone .com), and it was a fuckin joke. Not only was their camp an eye sore, they were also total assholes to us. Our camp was supposedly "ghetto" because we didn't have a $2000 Mt Hardware circus dome with dishes sticking out of it... I thought we went about as light as we could, and we still had about eight big bags of shit(for 5 people). However, the fact is (at least on the normal route) that Sherpas do most of the hard work on Everest before westerners even show up to basecamp. Sounds like most of the trekking peaks are pretty easy to do unsupported. I think thats what I'd like to do next time. But I will still hire Chappa for a couple of hundred bucks. He's got lots of kids to feed. He's funny as all hell, and he makes a mean Dahl Bhat! [ 11-29-2001: Message edited by: Lambone ]

Good question, it has been done, but it depends on what exactly you are talking about... First of all, you couldn't get to K2 with Sherpas, since most Sherpas live in Nepal or China. Second, you couldn't get to K2 without the Balti porters, you need camels just to cross the river. And they probably wouldn't let you through unless you paid them, so you might as well have them carry your stuff. If you are talking about porters:Not only would it be nearly imposible to cary all the supplies you would need for an expidition of that sort to basecamp. You would pay twice as much for everything if you didn't have a local negociator. Plus, the officials from the Minisrty of Tourism probably won't sign off on your climbing permit unless you have a camp cook, liason officer, and all of that. They expect you to hire locals. And finally, I don't think you could get out of Lukla without some 5'2 tough as hell Nepali dude running off down the trail with your bag on his head! One more thing, living up at altitude eats away at your body. If you don't have proper nurishment, ie. your eating freeze dried food, you won't be climbing anything. But then again you will be sick (stomach bugs) anyway, so you still probably won't climb anything! If you are talking about climbing "sherpas":Well, yes you can climb without them. But if you are on any sort of standard route in the Himalaya (which you probably will be if it is your first time over there-nothing wrong with that). Anyway, you will just be jugging up fixed lines that the "sherpas" put up anyway. So they wern't paid by you, whats the difference... You're not talking about the cascades here...lots of those big peaks can take a month just to approach! If you want to climb something big without the need for all the extra baggage, fees, and paperwork- head to South America! Also, don't forget...were not talking about used car salesmen who want to sell you a big SUV to take up to the ski area. The native people of Nepal are sooo awsome, kind, friendly, and willing to do what ever they can to make your stay in Nepal plesant. Their lively hood depends on the tourist industry, and what climbers pay them is merely chump change to us. All of your gear will be worth more than they might earn in a decade. I've thought about your question alot, and all though it sounds gnarly and hardcore to go over there and be self sufficient, its just not realistic. You will be a visitor in the Sherpa's land, and by trying manage without their help you might miss out on an opportunity to make wonderfull friendships. Just thinking about the sherpas we hired on our trip makes me want to go back just to visit them and see how they are doing. Times must be tough this year. [ 11-29-2001: Message edited by: Lambone ]