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The Red Hot Chile Peppers rocked and the snowboarders threw some sick shit. The boarders on the pipe were very impressive. Guess that's why they're pros at it.

I did Ptarmigan in two days. I climbed Liberty Ridge a few years ago in two and a half (1st week in June, as I recall), but only because we were so itching to start that we began hiking the evening we arrived. If you go earlier (late May, early June), snow coverage simplifies the approach and route conditions can be more forgiving (it's easier on MY legs to climb neve rather that ice, anyways). Downclimbing Ptarmigan ridge would suck. The chute under the rock wall is a shooting gallery. No place to linger fucking with rap anchors, IMO. If you go light --and why wouldn't you-- a carry over isn't too bad and get you on a lot more of the mountain. The technical difficulties of Ptarmigan ridge are over at the top of the rock wall where you're still a couple thousand feet from Liberty Cap's summit. BTW, there's an awsome bivy platform just before the gully through the rock wall. If you linger on the route, it would be spectacular to stay a night there. (For Liberty Ridge, if you got an alpine start on the approach, you could be at the Thumb before lunchtime walking at a leisurely pace).

Starting my weekend with a session of "Peppers and Pipe" at Park City. Maybe some ice amidst falling snow for Saturday and Sunday. Happy Holidays have begun.

May, or June? Depends on the year and your own schedule. Personally, I'd wait until the trailhead at White River opens and a cattle trail gets beaten into Liberty Ridge. It's just a grim slog up to the 10,000' bivy from the Carbon Glacier. Sweet exposure for the last 1/4 mile, too. Further advice? Start the approach --which you can do in a day-- very, very early to avoid wading through mash potatoes. good luck

Febreze is the shizzy foshizzy

Sure. Why not. It's relatively cheap to finance (wasn't last year's budget around $200,000? That's like half a toilet in cost.), and the good press is great marketing for the park. But I don't think climbers should be the ones footing the entire bill. I think it's clear that the Climbing Rangers benefit MRNP much more than they benefit the climbers on the mountain. I thought $15 for a one-time visit was excessive. The $30 proposed fee is crazy.

And one levied without representation. Since Congress got out of the decision making process by approving and continuing the Fee Demo Program, with regard to fees at National Parks, Monuments, and Forest, there is no regulatory control such as a popular vote. The bureaucratic managers make fee increase decisions. Can't vote those guys out of office. I've written my Representatives and Senators, and all I've gotten back is that the Fee Demo Programs makes money, so it stays. BOHICA, as they say. I choose non-compliance. Homey don't dance for the man (ranger, in this case).

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A ricer looks like a giant garlic press, and is used to press spuds and other stuff. I think the name comes from the size of pieces that drop out. I dig the Q for cooking meat also, but it's not always convenient to brave the weather (I don't have a covered porch on my hovel). If you've got an iron skillet, just try it. Use a bit of safflower oil on the meat after you've put on salt and fresh pepper. I actually saw this method on Food Network show "Good Eats" on my sister's TV last month. It works great.

I don't have a TV, so I can't watch Food Network, but I do enjoy throwing out the killer chow. What's a cool gadget depends on what you like to cook. I've got a $20 ricer that's indespensible for making gnocci and comes in handy for the mashed spuds. An insulated carafe for coffee is something I use almost daily as are the couple of 9" and 10" blade Henckel knives. A recipe book from which you could prepare stuff together is always a good gift. If you don't have a cast iron skillet, it's the best way to cook a steak (30 seconds on each side on the top burner, then a about 5 minutes in a 500 degree oven. 3 minutes to rest. Awesome every time).

Ah hah. You're NOT getting laid. You need to get on with a whole gang of strange.

Is was like a BILLION, and now the whole Great Salt Lake smells like shit.

Need more data. Are you bumping uglies on a regular basis with this one? Does she buy you drinks and welcome your climbing? What kind of car does she have, and does she let you borrow it?

RobBob, in an early post on this tedious thread, you put forth that you "challenge anyone to point to real evidence of significant acquifer contamination from livestock operations." So, I gave an example of a hog-farm siphoning 800,000gallons of hog sewage into the ground. For a response, you write that I "want to tar & feather animal agriculture". FYI, I was just responding to your "challenge".

If that's the only flaw that disrupted the suspension of your disbelief, whoa! I knew the plot was BS when James Bond only banged two broads during the whole movie. Is he gay now? WTF?

RobBob, you're a trip. The fact that "livestock operations" can and do pollute is incontrovertible. Hog mega-farms in particular do this since they rely on lagoons (which are susceptible to leeching and overflow problems, not to mention evaporation) to re-mediate waste whereas cattle feedlots mainly just deal with solid waste. Near Milford, Utah, the Circle Four Farms company admitted accidentally siphoning 80,000 gallons of pig sewage into the ground. Oops. Bacteria blooms occurred in nearby wells thereafter. Significant? Real? There are plenty of other examples to point you towards since you're too lazy to look yourself. But arguing with you is a waste since you'll probably parse your own language and go off on a tangent of what's "real" and what's "significant". If you really don't believe that animal waste management is a problem, how do you explain the increased level of respiratory problems in dairy and hog-farm workers? Is the spreading of raw animal waste over acres of field a safe practice? Do waste lagoons not leak, or overflow? Is the bacteria blooms found in wells near hog-farms the work of enviro-saboteurs out to discredit corporate farmers with the larger goal of ridding the world of human carnivores (PETA's influence runs deep)?

Were you exercising the extensor muscles during your weight program? You might simply have an imbalance. (with the little information you provided, this seems likely since you have just added a fly to your routine). Military press, back butterfly, incline press, shrugs, raises, etc. will all help stabilize the shoulder. As with any exercise, form is the most important part, IMO; It's better to lift a light weight correctly than a heavy one incorrectly. You're trying to isolate a muscle group and work it, not set a record, or impress the chica in the halter top.

Actually, the real issue with corporate hog farming is water table contamination and disease control.

Anejo and Coke. Just what the doctor ordered.

You make me very angry. Very angry. I so angry, I kick you so hard I hurt my big toe.

You can get in much earlier if you approach from White River. Parking at White River also sets you up for a relatively easy deproach. With regard to route beta, I didn't know there were that many options. You climb the snow and ice field and trend left into a broad gully that ends at the base of a rock wall. Skirt the wall on its right side for a few rope lengths to were the exposure is over the Mowich face and where there are some escape gullies through it. We had expected 4th class terrain while skirting the rock wall, but instead discovered brittle clear ice. For the escape gullies, I took the second one encountered, and there was a fixed pin to help protect moving over rock. Then, it's kinda over. You've got a long slog up the low angle ridge towards Liberty Cap. Navigating towards the ridgecrest helped us cross a large bergshrund. No doubt the route changes much each year and each month during the season. Beta might not help much. BTW, IMO, Liberty Ridge is more aesthetic. Though never as hard as Ptarmigan Ridge, it's consistent over a much longer section. Both good routes.

Let market forces decide. A recent article in Wired opened up a whole new paradigm for my thinking of what the future may hold. Imagine plugging your fuel-cell powered car into your house when you get home. No more grid. Anywhere. Developement of infrastructure in third-world countries takes a wild swerve towards roads, clean water, universities and hospitals. Brave new world. I hope GM pulls it off. DFA, there's more than one McCarthy in the clan.

I drank one night at the Legionare's club, or something like that, in 1988. It was nicknamed The Zoo. Just drunk goverment workers and really drunk Inuit. Two of my climbing partners banged some local 'tang. Pretty funny when one of 'em complained a few days later of burning when he peed. Many of the villages in Nunavut ban liquor which is wise policy. eg. I don't think alcohol has done Davis Inlet any favors. A couple friends lived in Iqaluit for a couple years, and they enjoyed the experience. Course, they're British, so they're used to deprivation.

What village are you considering? Iqaluit? Party at "The Zoo"!