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quote: Originally posted by Lambone: But then they have to go and take everything so personaly...you guys used to be fun to argue with, now your just a couple of dull tools.[/QB] Dude, I'm still laughing.....at you!

quote: Originally posted by Crackbolter: Who gives a shit about a couple of hundred holes in the rock WHEN WE COMPARE IT TO WHAT INDUSTRIALISM HAS DONE TO THIS PLANET! Get Real. [/QB] Weak analogy, which is analogous to asking, "Who cares what Rober Blake did when we compare his deed to Cuck Manson's?"

quote: Originally posted by CAMAZONIA: ... worse yet he will hit you with a boring 1000 word post on the justifcation of his climbing ethics. Folks were down at pube club saying something like, "Oh yeah, that Pope's drilled a couple of holes, and he needs to disclose this if he's going spray about the evil of bolts." I wasn't there to defend myself, and so you got a chance to see my "confession" on the web. Did it put you to sleep? You're the moron who read it.

quote: Originally posted by Lambone: Word is you've drilled a few holes in your time..., but I'll let that dead horse rest. A while ago I recal you saying,(pardon me if the wording is not exact), something about how sport climbers lead to the degredation of climbing areas, because they tend to litter, not follow trails, chip holds, drill bolts, steal gear, ect. Your quoting accuracy is improving. quote: Originally posted by Lambone: Yet here you are recomending that people forge their own route up to Snow Creek Wall, via, some discrete game trail. As if that human activite has no environmental impacts. . The trail is already there. It traverses the slope at a gentle grade and promotes less erosion than the standard trail. Somehow it blends in with the meadows better than your bolts and lycra blend in with the granite. Dude, I'm not promoting anything, just providing information.

quote: Originally posted by Lambone: Cool...yeah, obviously I was just trying to pick out another contradiction between what you practice and what you preach You could spend the rest of your life trying to find just one.

quote: Originally posted by Colin: Mugs Stump Dude, then you'd be dead. None of my damn business, but I think Fred's a better role model for you: long career, babes, encyclopedic Cascade knowledge, babes, lots of first ascents, respect, babes,.....did I mention babes?

quote: Originally posted by Lambone: So here is a question Mr. "bolts are bad for the environment," What kinda trail is this your talkin about? Is it established? Switchbacks? Or is it just another climber's scar leading from point A to point B in the shortest time possible? Just curious, thanks in advance for the clarification. Firstly, thanks but no thanks for attibuting that quote to me. What I said is, bolts are ugly and alien to the mountain environment, and while their use is acceptable under special circumstances, the proliferation of bolts in the last two decades is evidence that climbing, as defined by modern practices, is just another pussy sport. Sorry, Allison. About the trail: yes it's fast, and it follows a game migration route which, if you didn't know, seems to stay on the contour, and so erosion is minimal. I would say the old climbers root crawl, from where it leaves Snow Creek trail, is about as rutted out as I've seen in the Cascades.

Next time you pull into Larry's Tool Yard with the intent of hiking up to Snow Creek Wall, consider taking Pope n' Dwayner's secret blitzkrieg approach route: the Pearly Back Door. After waiting out squally snow and rain showers at the Pearly Gates, we decided to check out this alternate route to SCW and we're pleased to announce that we shaved 17 minutes off of our fastest car-to-rope-up time by choosing the Pearly Back Door instead of the standard Snow Lake trail approach. When you see Dwayner and I starting the Snow Lake trail approach for one of SCW's crowded classics, if you decide to try to get there first, please use the Pearly Back Door approach so that you'll be up the wall a couple of pitches when we arrive. [ 05-06-2002, 06:27 PM: Message edited by: pope ]

quote: Originally posted by Lambone: quote:Originally posted by pope: Reminds me of a guy I know who is embarassed of his bad habit, trying to find a little moral support by getting his friends hooked. That's funny , only I'm not embarassed about clipping bolts. Why am I not embarassed...because I have clipped far more nuts than bolts.[/QB] May we call you the Eunuchinizer?

Jeff Lowe, for sure, 'cause then I'd have plooked Catherine. Hotcha!

quote: Originally posted by Lambone: Bronco and Nacho, I hope to see you guys there... We can clip some bolts in the name of Pope and Dwayner... Reminds me of a guy I know who is embarassed of his bad habit, trying to find a little moral support by getting his friends hooked.

That's what I remembered hearing....thought I had Mugs confused with somebody else.

Didn't Mugs Stump fall in a hole? If a guy like that can guess incorrectly, so can I. I'll be wearing a rope, thank you very much. [ 05-06-2002, 07:51 AM: Message edited by: pope ]

quote: Originally posted by Lambone: What are the best hooks to bring for climbing rainier? I hear the ones that cam well on the back of RMI guides packs I crawl into Big Lou's rucksack. Mighty Lou doesn't know the difference, and he keeps a supply of deli sandwiches in there.

quote: Originally posted by Lambone: see ya at index tuesday pope? oh no nevermind, that's right...spire rock is your hang out i almost forgot. anyway, gunna go bolt slow children, cause i don't have evough little cams to protect it every three feet. meet me there if ya wanna work on the redpoint... After aiding 2 pitches of City Park one winter, I "bouldered" up Slow Children a couple of moves just to see what it was like. Thirty feet later, I decided it was worth finishing. I put a piece and tied to it, then hauled up some rack since I only had about three nuts with me. When I finished the pitch I thought it was about 5.10a. I came back on a hot day and it felt like 5.11. In addition to bolting it, I think we could get a plastic two-finger pocket fixed in the middle of the crux in such a way that you and your gym buddies could figure out the sequence.

What has been perceived by some as a generation gap between climbing “camps” is the inspiration for the following, our tribute to Limp Bone (all in fun, Limpy). By Pope and Dwayner. Pope and Dwayner put me down, (talking bout my ge-generation) Just because my shorts are brown. (talking bout my ge-generation) Without a bolt to catch my fall, (talking bout my ge-generation) I pee all over my overalls. (talking bout my ge-generation) Yeah, it’s my generation baby. This is my generation. My ge-ge-generation. Yeah yeah. MY-ma-MY, ma-MY-MY. MY-ma-MY, ma-MY-MY. My ge-ge-ge-generation. Now placing gear seems awfully bold, (talking bout your ge-generation) But I hope to learn how before I get old. (talking bout my ge-generation) You’re dissin’ Larry and dat ain’t cool, (talking bout my ge-generation) His job is tough even if he’s a tool. (talking bout my ge-generation) Your troubles with “the Man” ain’t no big thing, (talking bout my ge-generation) Compared to my buddy’s (Rodney King). Yeah, it’s my generation baby. This is my generation. My ge-ge-generation. Yeah yeah. MY-ma-MY, ma-MY-MY. MY-ma-MY, ma-MY-MY. My ge-ge-ge-generation.

I'm thinking Larry is the abrasive ranger who will perform his duties in the most confrontational manner possible, and when he's finished (and not before he's finished), he always concludes by saying, "Have a better day." Am I thinking of the same guy?

quote: Originally posted by Peter Puget: The real question is why a Squamish site has a groovy L-Worth route as its prize photo! Pope you are a youngster! The recent sporto controversy is nothing compared to the reaction when we first uncovered the top of Jello Tower! The fear was the trees we were chopping were going to take out a car on the highway. Trees? What trees? I started climbing at Castle Rock when it was sticking out of a continental ice sheet.

It used to be 5.8, but due to erosion, it's now become an extended despo high-ball. When I first climbed at Castle, the ground in the Angel Crack area was high enough that you could mantle Jello-Tower.

quote: Originally posted by sk: You may be on to something there. Caveman. Caveman is Caveman's dad?

I left a big brown bear in Donna's tent.

quote: Originally posted by max: the answer is: no The answer is: 'Cos he can't. Har har har.

quote: Originally posted by Matt: I can't believe you would put Squamish and Vantage next to each other-- I mean, there is no comparison, right? I would rather climb wet slabs at Squamish than climb in the sun at the Coulee. I'm not trying to give you any flack, I'm just saying go North young man! Squamish rules. Wish I could help you Greg. Horse crap. Squamish is a pile. Don't go to Squamish. Vantage is THE PLACE. Make the scene, dude. [ 05-01-2002, 09:32 PM: Message edited by: pope ]

A good loop at Rainier is to hike up the Carbon River and head up so Seattle/Spray Parks, then over to Mowich and through Ipsut Pass to return. A nice "add-on" is Eunice Lake and Tolmie Peak before the exit through Ipsut Pass. A 2nd-class option is to hike through Knapsack Pass and scramble up Faye Peak on your way to Mowich Lake.

Max, here's another math puzzler (the self-answering question): Can Max integrate cosecant?