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You're not saying it's the way to go....I think you're a little disgusted, but you've got a cool, hipster's attitude of tolerance that says, "It's all good. There's room for everybody." What are you going to say when these guys get you kicked out of your favorite crag?

Evidence of a Boeing crashing at the Pentagon? And finally, we do have some missing passengers: AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 77 American Airlines Flight 77, from Washington to Los Angeles, crashed into the Pentagon with 64 people aboard. CREW Charles Burlingame of Herndon, Virginia, was the plane's captain. David Charlebois, who lived in Washington's Dupont Circle neighborhood, was the first officer on the flight. Michele Heidenberger of Chevy Chase, Maryland, was a flight attendant for 30 years. Flight attendant Jennifer Lewis, 38, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the wife of flight attendant Kenneth Lewis. Flight attendant Kenneth Lewis, 49, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the husband of flight attendant Jennifer Lewis. Renee May, 39, of Baltimore, Maryland, was a flight attendant. PASSENGERS Paul Ambrose, 32, of Washington. Yeneneh Betru, 35, was from Burbank, California. M.J. Booth Bernard Brown, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. Suzanne Calley, 42, of San Martin, California, was an employee of Cisco Systems Inc. William Caswell Sarah Clark, 65, of Columbia, Maryland, was a sixth-grade teacher at Backus Middle School in Washington. Asia Cottom, 11, was a student at Backus Middle School in Washington. James Debeuneure, 58, of Upper Marlboro, Maryland, was a fifth-grade teacher at Ketcham Elementary School in Washington. Rodney Dickens, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. Eddie Dillard Charles Droz Barbara Edwards, 58, of Las Vegas, Nevada, was a teacher at Palo Verde High School in Las Vegas. Charles S. Falkenberg, 45, of University Park, Maryland, was the director of research at ECOlogic Corp., a software engineering firm. He worked on data systems for NASA and also developed data systems for the study of global and regional environmental issues. Falkenburg was traveling with his wife, Leslie Whittingham, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3. Zoe Falkenberg, 8, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham. Dana Falkenberg, 3, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham. Joe Ferguson was the director of the National Geographic Society's geography education outreach program in Washington. Wilson "Bud" Flagg of Millwood, Virginia, was a retired Navy admiral and retired American Airlines pilot. Dee Flagg Richard Gabriel Ian Gray, 55, of Washington was the president of a health-care consulting firm. Stanley Hall, 68, was from Rancho Palos Verdes, California. Bryan Jack, 48, of Alexandria, Virginia, was a senior executive at the Defense Department. Steven D. "Jake" Jacoby, 43, of Alexandria, Virginia, was the chief operating officer of Metrocall Inc., a wireless data and messaging company. Ann Judge, 49, of Virginia was the travel office manager for the National Geographic Society. Chandler Keller, 29, was a Boeing propulsion engineer from El Segundo, California. Yvonne Kennedy Norma Khan, 45, from Reston, Virginia was a nonprofit organization manager. Karen A. Kincaid, 40, was a lawyer with the Washington firm of Wiley Rein & Fielding. She joined the firm in 1993 and was part of the its telecommunications practice. She was married to Peter Batacan. Norma Langsteuerle Dong Lee Dora Menchaca, 45, of Santa Monica, California, was the associate director of clinical research for a biotech firm. Christopher Newton, 38, of Anaheim, California, was president and chief executive officer of Work-Life Benefits, a consultation and referral service. Barbara Olson, 45, was a conservative commentator who often appeared on CNN and was married to U.S. Solicitor General Theodore Olson. Ruben Ornedo, 39, of Los Angeles, California, was a Boeing propulsion engineer. Robert Penniger, 63, of Poway, California, was an electrical engineer with BAE Systems. Lisa Raines, 42, was senior vice president for government relations at the Washington office of Genzyme. Todd Reuben, 40, of Potomac, Maryland, was a tax and business lawyer. John Sammartino Diane Simmons George Simmons Mari-Rae Sopper of Santa Barbara, California, was a women's gymnastics coach at the University of California at Santa Barbara. She had just gotten the post August 31 and was making the trip to California to start work. Bob Speisman, 47, was from Irvington, New York. Hilda Taylor was a sixth-grade teacher at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. Leonard Taylor was from Reston, Virginia. Leslie A. Whittington, 45, was from University Park, Maryland. John Yamnicky, 71, was from Waldorf, Maryland. Vicki Yancey Shuyin Yang Yuguag Zheng If there was no plane then I ask again WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE????? Where is the actual AA Airplane? Do you mean to tell me that American Airlines is hiding an entire plene? And all it's employees, the hundreds of people that were there in the Pentagon all of them are lying???

Jesus, what is the matter with you guys? For how man generations have climbers found satisfaction, challenge and adventure in the hills and on our walls without resorting to this? And now we're in the information age. Are you telling me the info can't be posted on a website? Are you telling me the info can't be distributed through inexpensive xeros copies? "...I'm not going to yell at somebody..." You'd better do everything in your power to dissuade people from behaving this way. If you don't recognize this as the biggest threat to your access then you're frickin' blind.

Now let's hear one of the sport climbers on this BB come out and defend yet another ethically dubious practice one encounters at Vantage. Come on out, step up to the plate and tell us why it is that we need to follow the Euros. Tell us why our climbing standards are slipping and how we can't hope to "compete" with the trend setters on the other side of the Atlantic if we don't follow lock-step. Fucking pathetic. Dwayner the prophet. I wouldn't be disappointed to see the rocks of Vantage turned into turkey grit.

Somebody needs a spanking

First of all, while I did vote for Kerry I think the record shows that he is far more honest. Secondly, even this idiot knows how to spell "throughout". Finally, I suppose you're right about my motivation for personal attacks, and in retrospect, I think the comparison between Bush and the chimp was completely cheap and undignified. I wish to apologize to the chimp.

Jackbird Al, you're freely critical of Liberal Dimwit Educators and seem to imply that it is their fault that the kids of America are so stupid. May I ask who is responsible, in your opinion, for your atrocious spelling/grammar?

Damn funny.

Everybody benefits from public education. Do you want these little pukes running around the streets, stealing your car stereo and selling drugs? Whether or not they actually learn anything, at least the school system keeps them sitting in rows pushing pencils all day so that their parents can go to work and generate some tax revenue.

Quite a few cc.com ladies rushing to Top Gun's defense. You might be wasting your time.

This is what we got. Makes gay marriage and Clinton's BJ's seem comparatively harmless.

Convicted on one count for murdering HIS unborn child. Isn't that interesting? Abortion is then what? A woman's right to choose...... to murder her unborn child? Leno offered the following commentary: "It's finally illegal to kill your wife in California." "Scott Peterson commented that he had an affair because he wanted to have sex with other people. He'll have plenty of opportunities for that soon."

Thanks for the data Jason. Now I think I get it. You cannot understand the logic and message of W's statements unless your IQ falls below 100: "I will be your president regardless of your faith, and I don't expect you to agree with me necessarily on religion," Bush said. "As a matter of fact, no president should ever try to impose religion on our society. ... The great thing that unites is the fact you can worship freely if you choose, and if you _ you don't have to worship."

It's very simple. Within 60 days a woman definitely knows that she is pregnant, and at that point, regardless of what you think of the little critter and its level of development and potential to devlop into Einstein or whatever....at that point, a woman should have to make up her mind as to what she wants to do. Have the baby or abort it and figure it out fast. There is no doubt in my mind that the closer to full term the fetus gets, the greater the crime in aborting it. It is murder, no doubt about it, and at some point you have to say that it is human. I think 60 days is a reasonable amount of time for a woman to be aware of her situation and to decide what to do, and at that point the little critter stands no chance of surviving. After that, I think we need to take a serious look at what we're doing here. Some 40 million abortions since RVW? Wow. If I were a single-issue voter, I could see going with the Republicans on this, but I think there are other incredibly important issues on which I do not feel represented by them.

The answer to all of this is that we need a 3rd candidate in 2008 that will appeal to the Southern redneck/Bible belt element of the Republicans. Find a candidate who isn't a recovering alcoholic, who doesn't have a running mate with a gay daughter, a man who wants to amend the Constitution to define marriage as the Sacred union of a man and woman OF THE SAME RACE. A candidate who wants to make homosexual acts a felony. That candidate would appeal to an enormous fraction of the Republican vote (you know, the uneducated queer-hating Southerners, the 2nd Amendment nuts, etc.) who supposedly voted their moral conscience yesterday. Find that candidate, prop him up as a 3rd candidate, the Dems are back in for 2008. It frightens me how much damage will occur in the mean time.

I'll drink to that.

Easy does it. One day at a time. Do it sober. You must know he was jonesin' for a tumbler of Wild Turkey.

I think somebody's got a dirty little secret up in the woods. That somebody doesn't want the word to get out about their Which moderator is going to have the balls to step up and claim responsibility for banning Merv and Lambone?