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when in doubt run it out .... how much time & energy are you willing to waste trying to figure out which would work better on a flake you already feel will probaly fail anyways?

along the same lines as David Parker's suggestion to avoid the crowds also consider the "Parc des Ecrin' sub range of the Alps .... Pelvoux, La Meije, L'Aliefroide and Barre des Ecrins. This area gives good access to some great routes from rock to ice and mixed with few crowds. In late summer be carefull with your water source. Some areas are still activly used to graze sheep and other livestock.

Hey Bronco ... where did you find it at for $150

here are a few local links to check ... PDX Paintball Portland Paintball Online PDX Field finder

believe it or not ... if you are good enough the answer is a resounding YES. I have several customers worth 10's of millions of $$ who travel to many countries thoughtout the world .... all because of paintball

understanding that he likes video games do you think we would like Paintball?

If he truly hates everything that makes it tuff .... have you tried mountian biking? When our oldest son was about 13 he got into a funk. He's tried climbing and really did not care for it. Got him a decent MTB, hit the trail together ... made a big differance. However I think a plus I had is that he has always been into some kind of sport. I myself was not a very model citizen as a your teenager. I always laugh when I hear the line from "Panama" by Van Halen, .... "model citizen, zero discipline". When I was 15-16 I did the Ski Resort thing mentioned above, working @ White Pass, great way to earn a season pass. Worked, ate and slept on the pass for 4 weeks straight. We had a great mentor who was the first to jump into the shit with you and get the job done and in return took no shit and expected you to pull your own. If you didn't, you were outta there. To this day the guy is one of three people including my father I look up to as shaping me as an individual .... not quite military school. Is there anything he likes to do?

Well done and just as well written. With your literary style and grace you could be on to something there buddy. Good luck and safe travels this coming weekend.

$30 plus shipping

fair enough .... you and TG bringin' the crack?

Hey Gang ... sorry to have missed out last night ... sounds like a good time was had by all, and then some ... shit just got too stack up here in the 'couv and I wasn't able to break away ...

it is going to run again Sunday night 5/18 @ 6:30 pm Oregon Field Guide - OPB schedule

These are both "sets" .... 1 is a straight shaft Geronimo and the other a bent shaft Rambo ... appear to be in excellent shape. At under $100 each set "buy it now' these won't last long. Rambo II set for $96 Geronimo set for $90

So in other words the voice of the customer means nothing ....

shit I'm actually going to be in town next week, I vote for the R&R as well ... just hope we don't get DFA for a waiter again

no, your not

Rages $95 new

wish I could but got shit to do .....

make sure you have at least one 60m rope, otherwise you will be very limited in what you can do by either tp or on lead

Lucky Lab sounds good unfortunatly next week I have to go to F*&@$'n Texas and don't get back until Thursday night. I guess I'll just have to propose another pub club the following week. Wes

that wouldn't be a bowl of "Fumunda" chowder would it?

yah I did read it and do appreciate that the thread was left to be viewed with an invitation for real info ... it's just the basic concept of censorship which bugs me in general .. not necessarily this one particular thread. I agree with RobBob's comment that "moderation" somtimes turns people away from this site. It has me on more that one occasion. On the flip side, some say there is not enough.

Regardless of how "good intentioned" an act such as locking a thread or deleteing a post may be, it is still censorship. I personally do not care to have someone dictate to me what I can and cannot see, read or hear. I equate this entire board to sitting in a pub talking shit with friends and other climbers about routes, adventures, gear and having a good time in the mountains. If a line of conversation is started at "the table" which I find offensive, I am free to ignore which ever comments I wish, and/or to get up and walk away ... no one if forcing me to stay ... I do not expect the group as a whole to abandon a topic because it offends me, unless of course you are taking about my mother. Like anything else in life we should be able to take the good with the bad and sort out for ourselves, what we as individuals, believe is in our own best interests ... come on .. we are all growups here. That being said, I wish to clarify that I am in no way promoting "spray attacks" or unbridled slander toward anyone on this site ... Rock on, climb safe .... Wes

In mid April you will more that likely still be putting in several miles on the road before Cold Springs. In an average snow year it is usual early to mid June until you can drive to the end of the road. As far as a rental car, go with a 4x4, get the insurance and have at it. You will need to stop at the Trout Lake RS to register and they will be able to give you fairly recent road info. In mid-April all three route that you name will be pretty much straight forward snow routes with no real objective dangers. Of these route the Mazama is the most aesthetic. Traversing far enough to the east will give you some pretty impressive views of Battlement Ridge and the Klickitat Glacier. Given that you are traveling out here to do this and that you are coming pretty early in the "normal season" I would come with a back up plan. Mid-April can still bring a shit load of snow to the Cascades.

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