tvashtarkatena Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Your opinion doesnt matter to me. Never has. And that's OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 its not a partisan issue. we all own it. Â Uhh, this is a first. Heretofore, you've always peddled the notion that it's evil Republicans who bear all the blame for our nation's racial injustices. Â That's because your data points the finger at his party. If it pointed the other way he'd be singing a very different tune. Even Trash can't explain away 100 years of data Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Nope. Not my schtick. I'm not anti-conservative. Pretty fiscally conservative myself, actually. Â I'm a specific policy guy. The GOP happens to have a lot of failed and stupid policy ideas is all. It grasps for the past, rather than looks towards the future. It's not a data driven problem solving organization. It's relies on promulgating copious amounts of bullshit. It suppresses votes. It sucks religious dick at the expense of civil liberties. It sucks military dick at the expense of social welfare and peace. I don't like any of that. Â But whatev. Don the partisan mantle and bicker on. All the kids are doing it. Â In my advocacy work I support partnering with any organization that agree to be an ally for a specific campaign - even if that organization opposes us on other fronts. The Catholics, for example. They are against the death penalty - common ground. They are also against providing family planning services in their hospitals. We oppose that. Â Politics are less partisan than the reinforce-my-myth blogs and media would have you believe in practice, particularly at the state level. Fighting sells. Compromise is dull. The news is all about the feds, but life really isn't. Â What offends us may vary by partisan proclivity - that's a genetic thing, but we all share a lot more values than many of us are willing to admit. Â These are nice sentiments, but you have never conveyed or practiced any of them here. If you have had some sort of epiphany recently, well, ok. But forgive me if I remain a skeptic. Â He's admitted he's a card carrying Democrat with a capital D before. He's as non-partisan as James Carville. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete_H Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Well the Klu Klux Klan was started by Democrats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mountainsandsound Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 To be fair, if Democrats could find a way to suppress the vote of the older white male demographic and put it under the guise of preventing voter fraud they would. Â But sure, doing it to an already disenfranchised demographic that correlates closely with race makes it more disturbing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 (edited) That statement is unsupported and unsupportable, and therefore has little meaning. Â The evidence is very much to the contrary - the Dems have long worked hard to afford equal access to voting rights for everyone. If you have data to the contrary, let's see it. Â Now gerrymandering? Both parties engage in that, but that's not voter suppression. Edited November 7, 2014 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mountainsandsound Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Should we forget the 1960s era Jim Crow south? Â If you are saying that right now, regarding the voter ID laws, the GOP machine owns a widespread and systemic form of suppression that has a particularly troubling racial element to it, then yes. But it has gone both ways. Both parties have been responsible for attempting to minimize the political influence of those that do not support them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Half a century ago? Really? Nearly everybody in this country was racist...and homophobic. Â Something a bit more recent and relevant, please. Both parties have been completely transformed over the last half century. The dixiecrats are all GOP all the time now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mountainsandsound Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Why is gerrymandering off the table? I realize that nobody is actually being denied the vote in that case so constitutional rights are not in violation, but if you let someone vote and then minimize the influence of their particular demographic, then how much of a functional difference are we talking about? Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 It's not 'off the table (you're free to discuss whatever you like), but it's not also not voter suppression, so you can't honestly conflate the two. If you'd like to segue the discussion towards gerrymandering as a separate issue, go ahead. Aside from the very obvious difference between denying someone the right to vote or not, there is also a difference in scale. Voter suppression policies are statewide. Gerrymandering is not. Â An intelligent, referenced analysis of the two parties RECENT gerrymandering histories would be very interesting. I don't study that particular issue - so I don't have that in my kit. Â Wiki has a good page on it. Â Dirty Democrats: Â Â Rapacious Republicans: Â Â Â Or we can let the 'libtards!' and 'conservitards!' crowd continue barking at each other from their respective cement tire chains. Â That's always fresh and informative. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 If, by voter suppression, you mean trying to thwart the efforts of Democrats to enfranchise non-citizens (both documented and undocumented), then yes, guilty and proud. Of course, this isn't really suppression. In fact, the Democrat notion that low income citizens are incapable of engaging the franchise without their help goes back to the patronization/paternalism I referred to above. And the Democrats oft-expressed belief that most of these poor are minorities is abhorrent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 If, by voter suppression, you mean trying to thwart the efforts of Democrats to enfranchise non-citizens (both documented and undocumented), then yes, guilty and proud. Of course, this isn't really suppression. In fact, the Democrat notion that low income citizens are incapable of engaging the franchise without their help goes back to the patronization/paternalism I referred to above. And the Democrats oft-expressed belief that most of these poor are minorities is abhorrent. Â Not to mention convicted felons. Give them the vote! Oh, you're opposed, that's because they are disproportionately minorities, you racist. ;-) Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Yep. But I think Democrats have worn down this tired old racism meme. ID for beer, to cash a check, to rent an apartment--but, God forbid, we ask for ID when one registers to vote. :roll eyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Yep. But I think Democrats have worn down this tired old racism meme. ID for beer, to cash a check, to rent an apartment--but, God forbid, we ask for ID when one registers to vote. :roll eyes: Â Yeah, anybody should just be able to show up anywhere and just vote. As many times as they like! Don't check anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mountainsandsound Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Jeez... can we get one of those lighthearted topics in spray again? Â Maybe large house cats or deceased musicians that everyone likes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 While I'm waiting for my flight back to civilization I'd at least like to see some cats --- maybe this is why spray traffic has dropped considerably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 While I'm waiting for my flight back to civilization I'd at least like to see some cats --- maybe this is why spray traffic has dropped considerably. Â What you're saying is you just want some pussy? Understandable. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted November 8, 2014 Author Share Posted November 8, 2014 spray has been ultra-tapped out for awhile now and it wasn't the negativity that done knocked it on its ass - kevbone was killed and eaten by goddamn cannibals while bass-fishing in the fucking congo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted November 8, 2014 Author Share Posted November 8, 2014 cc.com n' the shadowy spray-lords of days gone by will roar back to unholy life only after a sacrifice to the gods is arraigned on an alpine altar - need to get some more nimrods of the first order in a huge clusterfuck on national tv if we're to make the nut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 (edited) Some CC users will never agree with the politics of other cc users and no amount of posting in Spray will resolve anything EVER!  Could somebody please post some oversize photos or something marginally entertaining  No politics in space  Wild Pigs Edited November 8, 2014 by Feck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 cc.com n' the shadowy spray-lords of days gone by will roar back to unholy life only after a sacrifice to the gods is arraigned on an alpine altar - need to get some more nimrods of the first order in a huge clusterfuck on national tv if we're to make the nut  Can I suggest who, oops, I mean what to provide as an offering?  BTW I passed on your acronym filled ruminations on meetings to my teacher friends and they just thought it was a hoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted November 8, 2014 Author Share Posted November 8, 2014 the man in the middle owns the head first grappled to the guillotine  i dont' give a shit what a man's politics might be so long as he can carry it w/ some mirth - a quick lesson of a southern liberal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted November 8, 2014 Author Share Posted November 8, 2014 BTW I passed on your acronym filled ruminations on meetings to my teacher friends and they just thought it was a hoot. i'm honored for sure - would be pleased more to see some of them add to the klingon poetry in the thread that can only flow when the flood fountain of eduspeak horseshit is set to full Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Furley Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Hey there fellers, Feck is right. You can't feckin convince certain feckers they're full of feckin shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Yes, thanks Ivan. Do you have any interest in starting a new thread on immigration, amnesty, and the limits of executive power? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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