erden Posted December 17, 2002 Posted December 17, 2002 It's funny when the rescuers need rescuing. This is a stereotype that needs to go away. When rescuers find themselves in trouble, it is NOT to be seen as incompetence. I am a member of SMR. It was not at all funny when others came to my help and to recover Göran. Not one person I know was laughing when we watched the clips of the army helicopter roll down Mt. Hood during their rescue. Have some gratitude for those who endanger their lives for our well-being. 'nuf said. Erden. Quote
specialed Posted December 17, 2002 Posted December 17, 2002 If "tastelessness" was the standard for being booted off this site, Lamebone should have been gone many times over. Quote
allthumbs Posted December 17, 2002 Posted December 17, 2002 hey bandguy, you get in trouble, who's comin' for you? Quote
Cpt.Caveman Posted December 17, 2002 Posted December 17, 2002 RE: This is a stereotype that needs to go away. When rescuers find themselves in trouble, it is NOT to be seen as incompetence. I am a member of SMR. It was not at all funny when others came to my help and to recover Göran. Not one person I know was laughing when we watched the clips of the army helicopter roll down Mt. Hood during their rescue. Have some gratitude for those who endanger their lives for our well-being. 'nuf said. ********************************************** Good for you. I am glad you are on SMR. It is a fine duty I presume. However I have served my own way. I didn't seek approval or recognition.. If someone is imcompetent well then - that is exactly what they are. I have gratitude for their desires but if they cant do the job let's just say I am not going to pull any punches on what I see. It's called reality you see. Get off your kick... Quote
erden Posted December 17, 2002 Posted December 17, 2002 (edited) ...I didn't seek approval or recognition.. ... Get off your kick... MY kick... I guess I made a private thing a public one again! Dang, I hate it when I do that! Erden. Edited December 17, 2002 by erden Quote
bandguy Posted December 17, 2002 Author Posted December 17, 2002 Trask: Mountain Rescue, of course. Specialed: Thank you for a comment on topic. Everyone: Please post comments on SAR on new topic in forum. This topic is about being banned and censorship. Quote
Cpt.Caveman Posted December 17, 2002 Posted December 17, 2002 MY kick... I guess I made a private thing a public one again! Dang, I hate it when I do that! ************************** Get over yourself. The chestbeater topic is in spray. Quote
allthumbs Posted December 17, 2002 Posted December 17, 2002 bandguy, move your angst to spray where it belongs. Quote
vegetablebelay Posted December 17, 2002 Posted December 17, 2002 Speaking of censorship: NJ Bus Driver Pleads Guilty MARLBORO, N.J. December 17, 2002 — A frustrated bus driver who caused a stir when he told his passengers "I'm taking you to the Taliban" has pleaded guilty to a disorderly persons charge. Robert L. Mickens, 37, of Brooklyn, N.Y., was fined $500 after he entered his plea Monday in Marlboro Township Municipal Court. He admitted making the remark Nov. 30 after several passengers criticized his abilities, but said it was meant as a joke. Mickens was driving a Greyhound bus from Philadelphia to New York when he lost his way and soon grew angry when his route choices were questioned by some of his 30 passengers. After making the remark, some passengers became alarmed and called 911 on their cell phones, prompting Mickens' arrest at gunpoint after 18 township patrol cars converged on the bus. He was then charged with creating a false public alarm. Mickens, who no longer works for Greyhound, was late for his court appearance because he got lost on the way. He declined to comment on the case. Quote
erden Posted December 17, 2002 Posted December 17, 2002 Caveman, I thought better of you. Regardless, I still promise to beat your chest if I find you in trouble in the mountains, not breathing, not beating... on your own that is. Erden. Quote
Cpt.Caveman Posted December 17, 2002 Posted December 17, 2002 RE- Caveman, I thought better of you. Regardless, I still promise to beat your chest if I find you in trouble in the mountains, not breathing, not beating... on your own that is. ******************************************** I am the caveman- just feed me a beer instead of that IV. ******************************************** I say back with deadguy Quote
mattp Posted December 17, 2002 Posted December 17, 2002 As in so many other areas taste or manners, it is a matter of balance. While I didn't find deadguy nearly as insulting or inane or rude as many regular posters, I certainly agreed with those who felt that his basic premise and the first couple of posts made it appear that, on balance, he would add little. Maybe it is odd, but people tend to be sensitive to jokes about dying and dead people. I would say much the same thing about the SAR discussion: it is a matter of balance and perspective. Sure, I have often met SAR people who seem to be unqualified (at least for technical rescues and maybe even for a simple lost-hiker search), and I am among those who sometimes like to laugh at the incompetent. Further, I believe that people in those organizations are doing so in part to contribute toward public safety but it is also a hobby for many of them who really enjoy the whole thing, are proud to be rescuers instead of mere wilderness users, and who derive a lot of their social life from the SAR activity (really, they do it for many of the same reasons that a lot us climb). But they DO save lives and they DO sometimes risk their own in an effort to do so. So go ahead and make jokes and criticize, but don't lose track of what they contribute and don't forget that one day they may be coming to get you out of a jam or to retrieve your body. Quote
Dru Posted December 17, 2002 Posted December 17, 2002 Deadguy should just name himself Kathy unless that avatar is banned too now. Quote
Cpt.Caveman Posted December 17, 2002 Posted December 17, 2002 RE-I would say much the same thing about the SAR discussion: it is a matter of balance and perspective. Sure, I have often met SAR people who seem to be unqualified (at least for technical rescues and maybe even for a simple lost-hiker search), and I am among those who sometimes like to laugh at the incompetent. Further, I believe that people in those organizations are doing so in part to contribute toward public safety but it is also a hobby for many of them who really enjoy the whole thing, are proud to be rescuers instead of mere wilderness users, and who derive a lot of their social life from the SAR activity (really, they do it for many of the same reasons that a lot us climb). But they DO save lives and they DO sometimes risk their own in an effort to do so. So go ahead and make jokes and criticize, but don't lose track of what they contribute and don't forget that one day they may be coming to get you out of a jam or to retrieve your body. ********************************************** I'll take the reigns on it since I am almost the only one that commented negatively about the SAR. First you can read what I mentioned before that I do believe that is a good cause or with good intentions. But to demand instant recognition for all on the internet is well - ridiculous to me in this forum and discussion. The intentions are cool and I would be happy for any rescue when in need. Just send me the competent ones. I say that again because I have indeed seen some that aren't quite well fit for the job. I know it's volunteer too. I am glad people are out there serving time into their community in this manner. maybe a fitness and technical competence evaluation is in order for certain rescues? Either way nothing changes the true fact that some maybe are not capable of rescuing due to poor fitness. Having said some of this stuff twice I didn't think it was necessary to make a silly post here on this subject about who is on SAR and also posts to this site as some sort of "bow down" recognition that it outright appeared to be. There are climbers out there that help and aid in rescues that are not in the SAR all the time too. Forgive me for sharing a real experience. I'm sure it's only one out of thousands. But hey it's more fun when you don't have to be politically correct Quote
Charlie Posted December 17, 2002 Posted December 17, 2002 Don't get me started!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! First Donkeypunch, now Chocolate Trombone This is really weak- it's OK to cuss, threaten, post pornagraphy, explicit song lyrics..etc, but it's not OK to be Funny? There wasn't even a reason givin for banning Chocolate Trombone. This is discrimination... it seems I'm going to have to seek legal action, perhaps through the ACLU. It just disgusts me- this discriminatory banning of Donkeypunch and Chocolate Trombone is spitting on the graves of those who dedicated thier lives to assuring that all people will be treated the same- regardless of race, age, religion, or being part of the 'in' crowd of cyber posters. This is a sad day. Quote
bandguy Posted December 17, 2002 Author Posted December 17, 2002 Thank you again for another post on topic. Quote
Scott_J Posted December 17, 2002 Posted December 17, 2002 (edited) Being on a rescue team is voluntary. That means you are glad to have the volunteers. Some are better than others at certain things. I know one fella that is not the "best" rock or ice climber I have ever seen, but if it came down to a high angle rescue I WANT HIM THERE TAKING CARE OF ME. He is thorough and competent. There are older rescuers in his team that know more about triage, but for the mechanics of a rescue system to get my fat ass down, and off the mountain fast and into a helicopter he is MY MAN. I think this is what Cavey was saying and if not kick me in the nuts Cavey. Edited December 17, 2002 by sisu_suomi Quote
Charlie Posted December 17, 2002 Posted December 17, 2002 yeah, look at all those stars, beotch! Quote
iain Posted December 17, 2002 Posted December 17, 2002 ...maybe a fitness and technical competence evaluation is in order for certain rescues? If there is not an objective set of standards against which each field member is evaluated through a testing process with documentation, an organization leaves itself wide open to litigation. Both these forms of evaluation are in place in the mountain rescue units I have been involved in, and if they were not, I'd quit. Quote
Cpt.Caveman Posted December 17, 2002 Posted December 17, 2002 RE-If there is not an objective set of standards against which each field member is evaluated through a testing process with documentation, an organization leaves itself wide open to litigation. Both these forms of evaluation are in place in the mountain rescue units I have been involved in, and if they were not, I'd quit. ********************************************* Maybe the guys I saw should have failed. Maybe the tests are bogus *everybody passes* in some places. Who knows... Quote
iain Posted December 17, 2002 Posted December 17, 2002 damn right Caveman, there are people out there who should not be in the field on a technical rescue, period, regardless of good intentions. Some feel patches on jackets license them to become mountain cops, telling everyone how to tie this knot or that one, and scolding people for doing this or that on the mountain. The best guys are the older quiet ones with the worn-out gear who get the job done when the stuff hits the fan. Quote
Cpt.Caveman Posted December 17, 2002 Posted December 17, 2002 Somehow I think I would fall into the bald guy with multiple patches licensing me to be a mountain cop. I'd force everyone to smoke weed and drink liquor on the summits. The only thing in our blue bags would be pounds of ganja. The only tie would be thai bud. How bout them mountains Quote
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