tvashtarkatena Posted November 9, 2012 Author Posted November 9, 2012 (edited) tvash you used to be so anti-weed i can see ivan has used his jedi mind tricks on you.... you'll be spearheading the tea party before ya know it Different Tvash, apparently. That sentiment ain't in my past. I'm a live and let live kinda guy. Always have been. If somebody laid down a line on a mirror at my place they'd be out on there ass right quick for several reasons: 1) Prison doesn't sound nice 2) Coke = shitloads of crime 3) Cokeheads get fucking tiresome pretty quickly And that's why I'm for legalizing all drugs. Edited November 9, 2012 by tvashtarkatena Quote
ivan Posted November 9, 2012 Posted November 9, 2012 "if hitler had coke there woulda been jews in the bathroom w/ him" - dennis leary Quote
rob Posted November 9, 2012 Posted November 9, 2012 SPD's usefull tips for using marijuana legally Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted November 9, 2012 Author Posted November 9, 2012 "SPD seized a bunch of my marijuana before I-502 passed. Can I have it back? No." Quote
rob Posted November 9, 2012 Posted November 9, 2012 What happens if I get pulled over and I’m sober, but an officer or his K9 buddy smells the ounce of Super Skunk I’ve got in my trunk? Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted November 9, 2012 Posted November 9, 2012 "SPD seized a bunch of my marijuana before I-502 passed. Can I have it back? No." That has to have been Kevbone's Quote
ivan Posted November 9, 2012 Posted November 9, 2012 can't open a bag of weed in public? "naw man, you can't just walk into a mcdonalds, roll a joint n' start puffing away. they want you to smoke in your home or certain designated areas." Quote
rob Posted November 9, 2012 Posted November 9, 2012 http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Satterberg-dismisses-all-misdemeanor-marijuana-4024296.php Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted November 10, 2012 Posted November 10, 2012 http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Satterberg-dismisses-all-misdemeanor-marijuana-4024296.php How much money do you think the county saved with this one action? Quote
rob Posted November 10, 2012 Posted November 10, 2012 http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Satterberg-dismisses-all-misdemeanor-marijuana-4024296.php How much money do you think the county saved with this one action? Approx. $2,521 per case, according to this analysis. And according to this article, 220 cases were dismissed. That's like a half-million right there. Jeez Quote
denalidave Posted November 10, 2012 Posted November 10, 2012 I always assumed part of the crux for the law enforcement side if the issue is how you determine of a user is under the influence? Pretty easy to do with other drugs and alcohol, but since pot stays in your system so long, how are they going to determine if one is high or just have lingering thc in the blood system? Quote
AlpineK Posted November 10, 2012 Posted November 10, 2012 My guess is an ability to follow simple commands. Walk a straight line follow my finger with your eyes Tell the testee a simple story and ask them to repeat it or answer questions related to the story You're right blood testing wouldn't tell you much. Perhaps exhaling air into a bag and measuring the percentage of retained THC? Quote
rob Posted November 10, 2012 Posted November 10, 2012 (edited) I always assumed part of the crux for the law enforcement side if the issue is how you determine of a user is under the influence? Pretty easy to do with other drugs and alcohol, but since pot stays in your system so long, how are they going to determine if one is high or just have lingering thc in the blood system? They only test active not the metabolite tht hangs around for a month, but for heavy users it sounds like that's not an accurate measure of sobriety. Seattle Weekly had a good article: http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2012/03/the_science_behind_stoned_driv.php The SPD, however, says you have to fail a field sobriety test first before being asked for a blood sample. I guess if you refuse, they need probable cause and a warrant? Edited November 10, 2012 by rob Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted November 10, 2012 Author Posted November 10, 2012 (edited) DUI and THC Blood samples must be taken by a health care professional at a testing facility. Cops don't do it in the field, nor do they ever see the results - that's fo da Judge's eyes only. If you're taking a field sobriety test, probable cause has already been established. Edited November 10, 2012 by tvashtarkatena Quote
denalidave Posted November 10, 2012 Posted November 10, 2012 I always assumed part of the crux for the law enforcement side if the issue is how you determine of a user is under the influence? Pretty easy to do with other drugs and alcohol, but since pot stays in your system so long, how are they going to determine if one is high or just have lingering thc in the blood system? They only test active not the metabolite tht hangs around for a month, but for heavy users it sounds like that's not an accurate measure of sobriety. Seattle Weekly had a good article: http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2012/03/the_science_behind_stoned_driv.php The SPD, however, says you have to fail a field sobriety test first before being asked for a blood sample. I guess if you refuse, they need probable cause and a warrant? If you can't pass a field sobriety test while high, you should prolly just quit, just sayin. Do they put out Doritos & Ben/Jerry's and see if you drool or what? Quote
AlpineK Posted November 10, 2012 Posted November 10, 2012 "Sir, I pulled you over because you were driving so slow. Why are there 10 partially eaten bags of Doritos and Cheetos on the passenger seat?" "Huh? " "Sir, "Huh," is not an answer. Will you please step out of the vehicle." Quote
KirkW Posted November 10, 2012 Posted November 10, 2012 (edited) If you're taking a field sobriety test, probable cause has already been established. At least they will CLAIM they've established it. And they can claim whatever they want. Of course a cop can always ASK you to take an FST without even claiming to have probable cause. Glad to see this measure pass but the DUI language in it seems like a time bomb to me. Edited November 10, 2012 by KirkW Quote
rob Posted November 10, 2012 Posted November 10, 2012 If you don't drive when you're high, I don't imagine you'll have any trouble. Quote
ivan Posted November 10, 2012 Posted November 10, 2012 If you don't drive when you're high, I don't imagine you'll have any trouble. i can't begin to conceive of a road-trip w/o the magic fast-forwarding medicine Quote
KirkW Posted November 10, 2012 Posted November 10, 2012 If you don't drive when you're high, I don't imagine you'll have any trouble. I thought this too. I was wrong. Quote
JayB Posted November 10, 2012 Posted November 10, 2012 I'm all for legalizing all drugs immediately and will vote accordingly, and don't think that the Constitution has ever endowed the Federal government with the power to enforce drug prohibition. Having said that I'm going to enjoy watching people who argued that the commerce clause grants the government the power to force people to purchase a private good or service when they were arguing in support of the ACA contend with the reality that a government with the power to force you to buy insurance certainly has all of the power it needs to prohibit any and every aspect of marijuana cultivation, distribution, and consumption. This absurd abuse of the commerce clause was already established by Raich v Gonzales in 2005, but good luck finding a legal arument in which there's a logically and legally consistent interpretation of the post-ACA commerce clause under which the Federal government can use it to force you to buy health insurance,but not prohibit commerce in marijuana even in states that pass laws legalizing it. Quote
JayB Posted November 10, 2012 Posted November 10, 2012 They should have kept the state liquor stores around a while longer and we would have had and easier weed transition. And what will the Feds do now with wayward WA and CO? It was amusing to watch a handful of long-time weed users laugh hysterically at the notion of buying "Corporate McWeed" at state-run stores, much less doing all of their buying during the old state liquor store's operating hours. They evidently get much better price, quality, service, and convenience from private sellers and have zero intention of patronizing any state monopoly. Quote
Kimmo Posted November 10, 2012 Posted November 10, 2012 Having said that I'm going to enjoy watching people who argued that the commerce clause grants the government the power to force people to purchase a private good or service when they were arguing in support of the ACA contend with the reality that a government with the power to force you to buy insurance certainly has all of the power it needs to prohibit any and every aspect of marijuana cultivation, distribution, and consumption. i'm really going to enjoy this too. i'm just gonna pull up a chair, maybe grab a soda, and really enjoy myself. Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted November 11, 2012 Author Posted November 11, 2012 Having said that I'm going to enjoy watching people who argued that the commerce clause grants the government the power to force people to purchase a private good or service when they were arguing in support of the ACA contend with the reality that a government with the power to force you to buy insurance certainly has all of the power it needs to prohibit any and every aspect of marijuana cultivation, distribution, and consumption. i'm really going to enjoy this too. i'm just gonna pull up a chair, maybe grab a soda, and really enjoy myself. The Obamacare mandate was upheld by the SCOTUS based on the Taxation, not Commerce Clause. Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted November 11, 2012 Author Posted November 11, 2012 Regarding driving - high or not, drive a street legal vehicle safely and you won't get pulled over. Its not too terribly much to ask, really. Quote
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