Remove canada from your escape plans

[rob]

Canada may not be the best place to escape American fascism, after all.

 

Sansone said he went to pick up his three children on Wednesday and was summoned to the principal’s office, where three police officers were waiting. They said he was being charged with possession of a firearm.

 

He was escorted from the school, handcuffed and put in a cruiser. At the same time, other officers went to his home, where his wife and 15-month-old child were waiting for him.

 

They made his wife come to the police station while the other three children were taken to Family and Children’s Services to be interviewed.

 

At the police station, Sansone was forced to remove his clothes for a full strip search.

 

Several hours later, a detective apologized and said he was being released with no charges, Sansone said.

 

The detective told him his daughter Neaveh had drawn a picture of a man holding a gun. When a teacher asked her who the man was, the girl replied, “That’s my daddy’s. He uses it to shoot bad guys and monsters.”

[Coldfinger]

I think this says more about the evils of little girls.....

 

She'll make one hell of a Scout.

[genepires]

In america, the police would be too afraid to go that far for someone thought to have guns, shoot monsters and be a member of NRA. NRA lawyers would have been all up the police's face.

 

Canadian common folk are too nice to try and stop such stupidity.

[Mtguide]

I spent about a year living in SW Alberta in 1973. Even back then, there was a sense that this kind of behavior on the part of the authorities lay not too far below the surface. While the great majority of ordinary everyday Canadians are great folks (and in the 70's the young people were every bit as friendly and laid back as you'd imagine) nonetheless average working people were really quite conservative. And there was a palpable sense, a definite atmosphere of restraint and caution anytime you were around the RCMP or other law enforcement. They were in general not the least bit friendly, usually pretty stern and taciturn.

You knew for sure that you wanted to stay well within the law, out of their way, and not give even the slightest appearance of being in any way out of line. Licenses, papers, permits, what have you, always had to be in order, ready for inspection at a moment's notice. I was never really completely relaxed or comfortable the whole time.

 

Also, especially in the 70's, the Border authorities were just awful; they could be extremely, ridiculously demanding, rude,overtly hostile and just plain damned mean. I once took the bus to BC to go climbing in the Bugaboos. At the border myself and a couple of others with longish hair and large packs were made to get off and go into the station, where we were strip-searched, and had to empty every last item out of our packs, even pouring out salt shakers, tea bags,and packets of instant oatmeal and Tang while they searched for drugs. They were also concerned that we had at least enough cash amounting to $100.00/day for the duration of our stay. They held that bus at the border for almost three hours. No drugs or other contraband were discovered.

 

As I was being escorted back to the bus, I foolishly made the remark that I wondered just how many truly evil, criminal people were allowed to cross into Canada because they had enough money; I was almost arrested on the spot, but an older, wiser official intervened and said to the officer holding me, "See here now, that's quite enough." At least one of them had some sense. Even with all the Watergate and Vietnam crap going on in the US at the time, I was always much relieved to be back in our own country. I guess the evil you know is never as scary as the one you don't. Not to say that we don't have a hell of a mess in our society right now. The Patriot Act, no more habeus corpus, extraordinary rendition, indefinite detention of US citizen civilians without cause or charge. "Another fine mess you've got us into Ollie...". We're pretty much all the way back to pre-Magna Carta. Waterboarding? Ha. Expect to see the rack and wheel, drawing and quartering any time now...

Edited March 4, 2012 by Mtguide

[DPS]

In this country (Bremeton) a sexually abused boy brought this mother's boyfriend's loaded handgun to school to protect himself and accidently shot a classmate. It was the 9 year old kid who was charged with a crime, not the parents who allowed access or the uncle who was sexually abusing the boy. That's how it goes down here.

[akhalteke]

In this country (Bremeton) a sexually abused boy brought this mother's boyfriend's loaded handgun to school to protect himself and accidently shot a classmate. It was the 9 year old kid who was charged with a crime, not the parents who allowed access or the uncle who was sexually abusing the boy. That's how it goes down here.

 

The pederast crimes in WA enfuriate me. I was coaching a girl who was crying one day. Long story short, her foster dad had been repeatedly raping her over and over. After tuning the shit out on him, I called the cops and he got 6 months in jail. Six f-in months. He had been raping her longer than that.

 

I wish that I was in the states when he got out; I would have buried his worthless carcass.

[akhalteke]

Oh and fuck Canada, they gave me a "detailed" search for being a spy. I kid you not. Shitheads.

[Coldfinger]

Nice!

[KaskadskyjKozak]

Maybe you all just look like guilty and shit.

[Coldfinger]

Maybe you all just look like guilty and shit.

 

Could be grooming too. EEP!

[minx]

Maybe you ARE all guilty and shit.

 

fixed it for ya

[AlpineK]

I always get grilled about hotel reservations going into Canada.

 

One time on the way to a six day backcountry traverse the boarder guard ask where we were staying on the trip. I told him we'd get a motel in Pemberton that night, but after that we didn't know. The guard didn't like my answer until I explained we were going to use a tent since there's a lack of four star hotels in the Coast Range.

 

The second time I went to a conference in Kelona. The guard wanted to know, "Why don't you have hotel reservations." I told her I'd been to Kelona before and I was pretty sure I could find a motel. If that didn't pan out I had a sleeping bag and a pickup with a canopy.

 

Of course one time I had to walk into the station for grilling.

Guard, "How many times have you been to Canada sir?"

Me, "A lot of times."

Guard, "What does that mean?"

Me, "It means I've been visiting BC since I was five years old and I didn't think it was necessary to keep a log book."

 

Fortunately I was smart enough not to say something like, "Yeah I know Canada is a foreign country but come on."

[Mtguide]

Sounds like Canadian border guards to me, all right. Kudos for the snappy comebacks! Just the right degree of attitude, enough to put the guy in his place, not enough to get you arrested or denied entry. A fine line to walk with those jerks sometimes.

 

At the same time, you have to feel a little sorry for people who've obviously never spent a single night under the stars out in the mountains. It's a lack of things like that that shrivel men's souls, and that's truly sad.

 

BTW, for years (since 1974) one of my favorite places to stay in Kelowna has been the KOA camp north of town. Inexpensive, really nice friendly folks, clean, very quiet and woodsy.

[DPS]

My worst time crossing the border was to go to Squamish to rock climb with my daughter when she was 8. I had her birth certificate and ss card. The guard wanted a notarized letter from her mother indicating it was ok for me, her father, to take her across the border. I explained her mother left when she 15 months old and has not been able to be located as she kept moving to avoid paying child support. We were detained and separated, my daughter interogated to make sure I was not kidnapping her. Around the same time a female teacher kidnapped a student, carried none of the kid's identification and was not challenged at the border. Gender profiling at work.

[Pete_H]

I had a US border agent ask to inspect my hands when I told him I'd been in Canada rock climbing. He remarked that my hands didn't look as bloody and scabby as other climbers he's seen. I just told him that's because I've been doing it for a long time and I've got good technique!

 

I've had other US border agents ask me what the highest mountain in the world is and what the highest mountain I've climbed is. I guess to "verify" that I was indeed a climber.

 

Ironically though, usually the US guys are a lot nicer and more professional than the Canadians.

[AlpineK]

I believe all boarder guards have it in for foreigner. Getting harasser going into Canada is normal for state side folks. I've talked to a few Canucks who get the third degree from American boarder guards.

[minx]

What are you people doing to the Canadian boarder guards? I travel in and out of Canada several times a year. They are always super nice to me. I got the full on violation/inspection when I returned to the US twice last year.

[Pete_H]

When I cross the border I wear a t-shirt that says "hockey sucks"

[KaskadskyjKozak]

What are you people doing to the Canadian boarder guards? I travel in and out of Canada several times a year. They are always super nice to me. I got the full on violation/inspection when I returned to the US twice last year.

 

Last year I lost my passport and I still got across the border both ways - no problem. I've crossed 3 times in the past year total with not a hitch.

 

You guys ought to consider not wearing a "legalize it" t-shirt on the day you drive across the border. ;-)

[rob]

"What will you be doing during your stay in Canada?"

 

"Your wife."

[Jim]

Have work visa for BC/Yukon. 1st vist, sluggy. Next half dozen - no problem, very quick. Some drive, some fly.

[minx]

"What will you be doing during your stay in Canada?"

 

"Your wife."

 

post of the day!

 

 

 

[bstach]

I believe all boarder guards have it in for foreigner. Getting harasser going into Canada is normal for state side folks. I've talked to a few Canucks who get the third degree from American boarder guards.

 

+1

 

Exactly what I was thinking. I get the third degree from US border guards.....but sweet as apple pie when coming home.

[rob]

*everybody* gives me a hard time. I don't understand it, I look like a nice guy.

[minx]

and of course Rob,

 

Looks can be deceiving