Fairweather Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Best sci-fi movie EVUH! But I thought the original was better. Do not concur. Much more shooting and killing of aliens in the second incarnation. Especially if you watch the Director's Cut... The guns and effects were cool in II--and who can forget Bill Paxton's famous "game over" speech. But the Gothic scenes and pure suspense in the original is tops, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobo Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Best sci-fi movie EVUH! But I thought the original was better.Do not concur. Much more shooting and killing of aliens in the second incarnation. Especially if you watch the Director's Cut... The guns and effects were cool in II--and who can forget Bill Paxton's famous "game over" speech. But the Gothic scenes and pure suspense in the original is tops, IMO.Oh, the "game over" speech - that was priceless! He even had slobber drooling out of his mouth during the delivery. Perfect! But I'm a fan of temporal paradoxes, so I liked the whole "57 years" time-lapse thing. Kinda cool that a young-ish mother "returns from the grave" to see a pic of her dead daughter as a sexagenarian, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 She's still pretty hot--even in Avatar. Of course, I was wearing 3-D glasses. Temporal paradoxes: You must have liked "12 Monkeys"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobo Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Great flick! And Madeleine Stowe... ... Other good'ns from the genre... 2001 Terminator (original) w/Linda Hamilton... ... Stargate (movie) Frequency Final Countdown (Kathryn Ross... ... ) several of the Star Trek movies some of the Star Trek TNG episodes some of the Planet of the Apes movies Timeline and though not technically temporal paradox movies, these come to mind... Silent Running Event Horizon Contact I could prolly come up with more, but I gotta work tomorrow... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Are the American people really that stupid to think Newt or Mitt is going to be any different that the last 4 presidents or the current one? Come on folks wake up. Don't vote more of the same into office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Are the American people really that stupid to think Newt or Mitt is going to be any different that the last 4 presidents or the current one? Come on folks wake up. Don't vote more of the same into office. Well, none of them are gonna abolish the FDA, that's true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Are the American people really that stupid to think Newt or Mitt is going to be any different that the last 4 presidents or the current one? Come on folks wake up. Don't vote more of the same into office. i'm planning on writing in fred beckey - maybe ron paul would agree to be his vp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Come on folks wake up. Punctuation is the difference between "I helped my uncle, Jack, off a horse" and "I helped my uncle jack off a horse". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choada_Boy Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 How Long Does It Take For Mitt To Earn Your Salary Calculator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 While not a Repub fan, I gotta say the hub-bub about how much Federal tax Mitt pays is BS. The vast majority of Americans don't pay 15% of their AGI in Federal Tax. With all the deductions for houses, kids, whatever, most Americans are below this rate. http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html#table8 Yea, yea, theres SS/Medicare but that was not caluclated in Mitt's returns either. So as ususal Americans are about their high taxes. Not! You are never going to get what is needed to get a more balanced budget by trying to milk the top 2%. A more reasonable approach would be to let ALL Bush era tax cuts expire, bump up the capital gains tax, and remove the SS cap on taxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 I wonder if the Masterz of Irrelevance will run out of ideas and actually be faced with debating a real issue? Hard to imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 I wonder if the Masterz of Irrelevance will run out of ideas and actually be faced with debating a real issue? Hard to imagine. The larger looming question is how stupid will the American voter be in November. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 I wonder if the Masterz of Irrelevance will run out of ideas and actually be faced with debating a real issue? Hard to imagine. The larger looming question is how stupid will the American voter be in November. yeah, when they vote like you they are smart - otherwise they are dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 You are never going to get what is needed to get a more balanced budget by trying to milk the top 2%. A more reasonable approach would be to let ALL Bush era tax cuts expire, bump up the capital gains tax, and remove the SS cap on taxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 You're still pondering that? Personally, I would love to see Paul get the nomination. The quality of the debate would certainly go way up, and the GOP could certainly use some of his principles, even if shoved down their throats. Romney's just another wealth concentrator...nothing to see there. Refer to history for what his presidency would bring. He's a type. From a cynical viewpoint, Gingrich is the clear choice for CERTAIN LOSER, of course, but I don't think the nation needs even more Train Wreck than it already enjoys. If there's a subfloor to our culture, Gingrich will undoubtedly find it. Just hearing his name makes me want to take a shower, and not with Callista. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 You are never going to get what is needed to get a more balanced budget by trying to milk the top 2%. A more reasonable approach would be to let ALL Bush era tax cuts expire, bump up the capital gains tax, and remove the SS cap on taxes. Except that no one ever argued that just taxing the rich was the solution. Total straw man. We've argued that, to be just (at all), it NEEDS TO BE part of the solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 "From each according to his ability to pay..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 (edited) yeah, when they vote like you they are smart - otherwise they are dumb. "for such is the nature of men that how so ever they may acknowledge many others to be more witty, or more eloquent or more learned, yet they will hardly believe there be many so wise as themselves; for they see their own wit at hand, and other men's at a distance." course, thomas hobbes, for all of that, was convinced khaddafi n' mubarak n' louis xiv, etc., etc. represented the finest form of government, so clearly he was a pogue. Edited January 25, 2012 by ivan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 You are never going to get what is needed to get a more balanced budget by trying to milk the top 2%. A more reasonable approach would be to let ALL Bush era tax cuts expire, bump up the capital gains tax, and remove the SS cap on taxes. Except that no one ever argued that just taxing the rich was the solution. Total straw man. We've argued that, to be just (at all), it NEEDS TO BE part of the solution. Don't know how wide the "we" can stretch. But most of the Dems are avoiding issue like the plague. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 (edited) "we" refers to my people. The royal "we", if you will. I just parachuted into an Dem LD monthly meeting to give my rousing call to arms regarding weed. Those folks could bicker about simultaneous double orgasm. Sheesh. I had to interrupt their heated argument regarding parliamentary procedure so I could deliver my 'let's change history together' address. It was like slow mo chest bumpin' mosh pit for geriatric roosters. I'd love to attend a GOP meeting so I could induce a similar global opinion based on a single data point. Somehow...I don't think they'd care to here my message, though. Edited January 26, 2012 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 While not a Repub fan, I gotta say the hub-bub about how much Federal tax Mitt pays is BS. The vast majority of Americans don't pay 15% of their AGI in Federal Tax. With all the deductions for houses, kids, whatever, most Americans are below this rate. http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html#table8 Yea, yea, theres SS/Medicare but that was not caluclated in Mitt's returns either. So as ususal Americans are about their high taxes. Not! You are never going to get what is needed to get a more balanced budget by trying to milk the top 2%. A more reasonable approach would be to let ALL Bush era tax cuts expire, bump up the capital gains tax, and remove the SS cap on taxes. Good post. Not sure we'd want to raise the CGT too much higher than its present level. Punishing investment seems like bad mojo, but the 15% that risk-takers pony up now could probably go to 20 or 25%. Letting the Bush cuts expire is a good idea too--as we've agreed in the past--and ditto the Social Security cap. Hell, I'd even support a temporary VAT--if it were constitutionally assigned to debt reduction and had an expiration mechanism. 28th Amendment, anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 What a concept. Consider another's opinion and be open to a reasonable compromise. WTF already Congress? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Congress is just another version of Spray. Hence...the result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Unfortunately I'd have more confidence of the inhabitants of this asylum than those in the one in D.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldfinger Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 Unfortunately I'd have more confidence of the inhabitants of this asylum than those in the one in D.C. Huh? We don't have TRILLIONS of dollars to spend! Speaking of which Newt's new moon station will be english speaking only, hate to think what the restrooms will look like tho...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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