Kimmo Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Over emphasizing your impact as a parent reveals an oversized ego as does the belief that "your kid" is special enough to free ride on the vaccinations of other. firstly, studies inre tv and impact on kids are inconclusive. i've read studies showing a full 20% lower "developmental rate" (don't ask for specifics! can't remember where and what) amongst =<2 yr olds who watched >2 hours of tv per day, vs same aged kids who watched none. certainly one possibility is that parents who are ok plopping their kids in front of a tv just might be a wee bit less inclined to read/interact with their kids as much as the no-tv parents.... inre vaccines: "free ride on the vaccines of others"? i thought vaccines were perfectly safe and innocuous? if so, why would the vaccinated get worked up about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimmo Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 and, the cali pertussis outbreak was mentioned earlier.... seems that non-vaccinated adults might have more to do with it than kids, maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted January 14, 2011 Author Share Posted January 14, 2011 Non-vaccinated kids grow up to be non-vaccinated adults. Vaccinated kids grow up to be vaccinated adults. Your argument is moot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimmo Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Non-vaccinated kids grow up to be non-vaccinated adults. Vaccinated kids grow up to be vaccinated adults. Your argument is moot. sounds like you have had all your booster shots, including pertussis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimmo Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 btw, as a side-note, your statement is incorrect, both from a real-world perspective, AND a straight-up logic perspective. if you care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted January 14, 2011 Author Share Posted January 14, 2011 moot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimmo Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 i am happy that you have mastered the mono-syllabic non-sequiter. and for your next trick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimmo Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 single syllable non-sequiters cut to the chase much quicker than all the verbiage one needs to contend with when dealing with, say, robbi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazyalpinist Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Non-vaccinated kids grow up to be non-vaccinated adults. Vaccinated kids grow up to be vaccinated adults. Your argument is moot. This is from the US CDC, so things might be better in Canada: pertussis vaccine efficacy range from 80% to 85% Meaning 15-20% of vaccinated kids grow up to be unprotected adults. So your comment is wrong at least 15% of the time for Pertussis. Also due to the fact that the efficacy of the vaccine for Pertussis wears off, the CDC has this to say to adults that have had the vaccine: Adults who are 19 through 64 years old are recommended to get a 1-time dose of Tdap in place of the Td booster they’re recommended to receive every 10 years. No need to wait until you are due for your Td booster—the dose of Tdap can be given earlier than the 10-year mark since the last Td booster. It's a good idea for adults to talk to a healthcare provider about what's best for their specific situation. A quick scan of other childhood vaccines shows efficacy around 90% with MMR running from 94-98% depending on which of the three you are talking about. (Polio is the big winner with 99% assuming you get all three shots. Pneumococcal the big loser at 60-70% and also the biggest killer of the vaccine preventable diseases in the US.)So it appears at least in the US that roughly 2% of all vaccinated children grow up to be unprotected adults. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimmo Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 the obvious inconsistencies in g-spotter's logic: many "non-vaccinated kids" get vaccinated later in life; many (most?) vaccinated kids don't get their boosters when adults (especially relevant with the pertussis booster), meaning they are then non-vaccinated adults (at least partially). regarding the california pertussis outbreak, all ten deaths directly attributable to pertussis were in children under 3 months, with 9 of 10 being under 8 weeks old (younger than the minimum age for vaccination!!!). Also, the CDC estimates 50% of all kids contracted pertussis from their parents or caregivers (I betcha it was higher). which means it is important for the adults of new-borns to be vaccinated (also, don't take you new-born to crowded places, or day-cares, perhaps). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ivan Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 "mrs kennedy liked bananas. mrs lincoln went bananas" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selkirk Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Over emphasizing your impact as a parent reveals an oversized ego as does the belief that "your kid" is special enough to free ride on the vaccinations of other. firstly, studies inre tv and impact on kids are inconclusive. i've read studies showing a full 20% lower "developmental rate" (don't ask for specifics! can't remember where and what) amongst =<2 yr olds who watched >2 hours of tv per day, vs same aged kids who watched none. certainly one possibility is that parents who are ok plopping their kids in front of a tv just might be a wee bit less inclined to read/interact with their kids as much as the no-tv parents.... inre vaccines: "free ride on the vaccines of others"? i thought vaccines were perfectly safe and innocuous? if so, why would the vaccinated get worked up about this? It's called herd immunity, I thought we had been over this ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimmo Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 can you explain it again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selkirk Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 I'm not that bored yet. Maybe tomorrow if you play nice in the sandbox with the other kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 "mrs kennedy liked bananas. mrs lincoln went bananas" That was Nancy, not Jackie, foo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted January 14, 2011 Author Share Posted January 14, 2011 Wilson’s riff on rabbits in “Coincidance” offers a taste of his high-flying extrapolations, and of his discursive, recursive style. Joyce makes him think of a radio broadcast about the pookah, a six-foot-tall white rabbit enshrined in Irish lore, which he heard on arriving in Ireland on the Joycean holiday of Bloomsday in 1982. This reminds him, in a roundabout way, that Lee Harvey Oswald’s nickname, in the marines, was ‘Ozzie Rabbit’; which reminds him of Harvey, the Jimmy Stewart movie about a pookah, and of the curious coincidence that the names ‘James’ and ‘Stewart’ or ‘Stuart’ recur throughout Finnegans Wake, a book that also abounds in fertility symbols; which reminds him of Lewis Carroll’s March Hare, “a fertility symbol, Freudians will tell you, and the rabbit-hole a vagina”; which naturally leads to a scandalous bit of trivia about “Carroll [taking] several photos of little Alice Pleasance Liddell [the real-life model for Alice in Wonderland] stark naked,” and the revelation that one of the ithyphallic Egyptian fertility god Osiris’ many titles was ‘the Great Rabbit.’ Doubling back to ‘Ozzie Rabbit’ Oswald, there’s President Carter’s Monty Python-esque encounter with a ‘killer’ rabbit, and the portentous coincidences that ‘Harvey Oswald’ and ‘Killer Rabbit’ each have 12 letters, that neither ‘killer rabbit’ was ever brought to trial, that Kennedy was killed in a Ford and Carter defeated Gerald Ford, and, well, you get the idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimmo Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Entirely unmentioned in this thread so far? Breast-feeding the baby! It's been shown to provide protection to the baby against various illnesses, passing along mother's immunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 sure - few mamas can make it past 6 months of course, 'especially if they're working... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted January 16, 2011 Author Share Posted January 16, 2011 So if the mom is vaccinated against smallpox you claim the baby will be immune? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimmo Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 So if the mom is vaccinated against smallpox you claim the baby will be immune? I do? I don't think there is much study in that arena, at least that I'm aware of! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimmo Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 sure - few mamas can make it past 6 months of course, 'especially if they're working... yea work's a tough one. mama workin away from home and having a baby is i think one of those unfortunate developments of "progress". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimmo Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 So if the mom is vaccinated against smallpox you claim the baby will be immune? there's some decent evidence that mother's resistance to at least some immunizable illnesses is passed along in said mama's milk. don't know if smallpox is one of them. I think it's WHO which recommends that African mothers breast-feed, because of the reduced risk of measles in breast-fed babies.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldfinger Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Entirely unmentioned in this thread so far? How 'bout: 'I was a fool for falling for a fraud.' Try saying that three times really fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimmo Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 who fell for a fraud? can't seem to recall that one. are you gettin' yer facts mixed up again hahahoho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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