Fairweather Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 Yep. Well done. Of course, you voted them in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchuck71 Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 (edited) House Bill 2619 Sponsors Here they are folks. Doubtless, they're 'way' more knowledgeable about mountaineering and PLBs, ELTs and EPIRBs than anyone else! Here's their contact information. Let's have our voices heard gang, especially the professional guides among us (read real government intrusion here). Link to their emails: Rep. Sherry Appleton (D) 23rd LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT Olympia Office: 424 John L. O'Brien Building PO Box 40600 Olympia, WA 98504-0600 (360) 786-7934 E-mail Rep. Jim Jacks (D) 49th LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT Olympia Office: 322 John L. O'Brien Building PO Box 40600 Olympia, WA 98504-0600 (360) 786-7924 E-mail Rep. Roger Goodman (D) 45th LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT Olympia Office: 320 John L. O'Brien Building PO Box 40600 Olympia, WA 98504-0600 (360) 786-7878 District Office: (425) 739-1810 E-mail Rep. Marko Liias (D) 21st LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT Olympia Office: 434 John L. O'Brien Building PO Box 40600 Olympia, WA 98504-0600 (360) 786-7972 District Office: (425) 776-7959 E-mail Rep. John McCoy (D) 38th LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT Olympia Office: 132A Legislative Building PO Box 40600 Olympia, WA 98504-0600 (360) 786-7864 District Office: (425) 257-1769 E-mail Rep. Jim Moeller Deputy Speaker Pro Tempore (D) 49th LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT Olympia Office: 436A Legislative Building PO Box 40600 Olympia, WA 98504-0600 (360) 786-7872 E-mail Rep. Mary Helen Roberts (D) 21st LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT Olympia Office: 315 John L. O'Brien Building PO Box 40600 Olympia, WA 98504-0600 (360) 786-7950 District Office: (425) 744-3130 E-mail Rep. Geoff Simpson (D) 47th LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT Olympia Office: 426 John L. O'Brien Building PO Box 40600 Olympia, WA 98504-0600 (360) 786-7918 E-mail Rep. Brendan Williams Majority External Relations Leader (D) 22nd LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT Olympia Office: 132F Legislative Building PO Box 40600 Olympia, WA 98504-0600 (360) 786-7940 E-mail When it comes to the Nanny State, you can always count on finding a "D" after the legislator's name. Don't you find it interesting that someone like me, bleeding heart liberal, is the one outing them? Nice one Doug! Great Sluething as well. Hey Fairweather, how about using that typing energy to "do something about it" other than spraying about political affiliation. Just saying. Edited January 15, 2010 by Pilchuck71 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScaredSilly Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 ok, not to say anyone here (including me) is lazy, but a couple of folks on NWHikers did some background checking and it seems this HB is sponsored by Rep. Marko Liias of Snohomish Co. (find him and more info on this on Facebook). It apparently introduced by a constituent and possible political ally Kevin Stoltz, the Mukilteo City Council VP who happens to own a startup company that (gasp)provides satellite based emergency locator beacons to individuals engaged in activities in the wilderness. He sells and rents them. You know, there were probably no laws broken here but this sure smells fishy. This action is called special interest group. It happens all the time with crap at the political level at the local, state, and federal levels. Nothing new but it does help to use it as ammunition against the bill. Kevin Stoltz's company: http://www.plbrentals.com Interesting comment: http://www.survivaltopics.com/survival/personal-locator-beacons-or-personal-body-locators/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted January 15, 2010 Author Share Posted January 15, 2010 Yep. Well done. Of course, you voted them in... You asshole, I don't vote party line. I just think the conservatives are worse than the liberals; but I have voted for my share of republicans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 House Bill 2619 Sponsors Here they are folks. Doubtless, they're 'way' more knowledgeable about mountaineering and PLBs, ELTs and EPIRBs than anyone else! Here's their contact information. Let's have our voices heard gang, especially the professional guides among us (read real government intrusion here). Link to their emails: Rep. Sherry Appleton (D) 23rd LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT Olympia Office: 424 John L. O'Brien Building PO Box 40600 Olympia, WA 98504-0600 (360) 786-7934 E-mail Rep. Jim Jacks (D) 49th LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT Olympia Office: 322 John L. O'Brien Building PO Box 40600 Olympia, WA 98504-0600 (360) 786-7924 E-mail Rep. Roger Goodman (D) 45th LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT Olympia Office: 320 John L. O'Brien Building PO Box 40600 Olympia, WA 98504-0600 (360) 786-7878 District Office: (425) 739-1810 E-mail Rep. Marko Liias (D) 21st LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT Olympia Office: 434 John L. O'Brien Building PO Box 40600 Olympia, WA 98504-0600 (360) 786-7972 District Office: (425) 776-7959 E-mail Rep. John McCoy (D) 38th LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT Olympia Office: 132A Legislative Building PO Box 40600 Olympia, WA 98504-0600 (360) 786-7864 District Office: (425) 257-1769 E-mail Rep. Jim Moeller Deputy Speaker Pro Tempore (D) 49th LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT Olympia Office: 436A Legislative Building PO Box 40600 Olympia, WA 98504-0600 (360) 786-7872 E-mail Rep. Mary Helen Roberts (D) 21st LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT Olympia Office: 315 John L. O'Brien Building PO Box 40600 Olympia, WA 98504-0600 (360) 786-7950 District Office: (425) 744-3130 E-mail Rep. Geoff Simpson (D) 47th LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT Olympia Office: 426 John L. O'Brien Building PO Box 40600 Olympia, WA 98504-0600 (360) 786-7918 E-mail Rep. Brendan Williams Majority External Relations Leader (D) 22nd LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT Olympia Office: 132F Legislative Building PO Box 40600 Olympia, WA 98504-0600 (360) 786-7940 E-mail When it comes to the Nanny State, you can always count on finding a "D" after the legislator's name. Don't you find it interesting that someone like me, bleeding heart liberal, is the one outing them? Nice one Doug! Great Sluething as well. Hey Fairweather, how about using that typing energy to "do something about it" other than spraying about political affiliation. Just saying. Voting against the party which has traditionally supported this kind of crap is doing just that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted January 15, 2010 Author Share Posted January 15, 2010 neither party has a lock on graft and pork. leave either in office long enough and it's going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mtguide Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 Out that capitalist sum'bitch. Better yet take him to a public square and put him in the ring with the Enumclaw horse fucker. 8D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 neither party has a lock on graft and pork. leave either in office long enough and it's going to happen. Here, in Washington State at least, the Democrats certainly do. And they have for a long, long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted January 15, 2010 Author Share Posted January 15, 2010 ok, so we're both right. now go do something productive for society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScaredSilly Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 More fun quotes by Kevin Stoltz: http://www.plbrental.com/articles/PR070924.asp Why wouldn’t a person hiking solo carry a PLB? “There are a number of reasons but the biggest one is people just don’t know they exist and how easy they are to get a hold of”, says Kevin Stoltz, President of PLB Rentals, LLC. “We are continually working to improve public awareness of PLBs so people will choose to bring one along, even on day hikes. Nobody thinks they’re going to get into an emergency situation, but anyone who is out in the wilderness should carry a PLB…just in case. If you get lost, injured, or stranded in the wilderness, a PLB can save your life.” Public awareness by legislation ... legislate this fucker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchuck71 Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 Voting against the party which has traditionally supported this kind of crap is doing just that. Okay, well since that hasn't been working out for you so far, you could make your voice heard in another way then...right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 I will shout it from the mountain tops...in the summertime...with a hands-free device... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchuck71 Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 I will shout it from the mountain tops...in the summertime...with a hands-free device... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mtguide Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 From requiring everyone to carry a PLB, it's not that much of a step to requiring everyone to get implanted with a locator chip. The next step after that is a"control" chip; these have already been successfully used in experiments with insects and lab rats to control motion and behavior. _________________________________________________ "Humanoid Units # 11879 through # 32004 deploy to Sector 14 immediately".... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZimZam Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 Everybody rent one for a day, and simultaneously set them off. Synchronize watches in 3...2...1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Water Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 (edited) requiring everyone to carry a PLB outdoors (above timberline)? sorry, maybe at all the state parks in indiana or something, but really, you think enforcement on the ground in the great outdoors of washington state is going to be even remotely possible? Not a chance. Edited January 15, 2010 by Water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 HOUSE BILL 2619 _____________________________________________ State of Washington 61st Legislature 2010 Regular Session By Representatives Liias, Roberts, Moeller, Simpson, McCoy, Jacks,Williams, Goodman, and Appleton Prefiled 01/08/10. Read first time 01/11/10. Referred to Committee on Public Safety & Emergency Preparedness. AN ACT Relating to electronic signaling devices; and adding a new chapter to Title 70 RCW. BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF WASHINGTON: NEW SECTION. Sec. 1. (1) A person who engages in mountain climbing during the months of November, December, January, February, and March shall use an electronic signaling device when climbing a mountain at a point above the timberline. (2) A person who guides for compensation an organized group that includes children under eighteen years of age on any mountain above the timberline shall carry an altimeter, an electronic signaling device, a contour map of the area, and a compass. (3) As used in this section, an electronic signaling device includes emergency locator transmitters (ELTs), emergency position indicating radio beacons (EPIRBs), and personal locator beacons (PLBs). NEW SECTION. Sec. 2. Section 1 of this act constitutes a new chapter in Title 70 RCW. --- END --- Edit Note: I removed the line numbers from this re-print in order to make the format easier to read. - Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 From requiring everyone to carry a PLB, it's not that much of a step to requiring everyone to get implanted with a locator chip. The next step after that is a"control" chip; these have already been successfully used in experiments with insects and lab rats to control motion and behavior. _________________________________________________ "Humanoid Units # 11879 through # 32004 deploy to Sector 14 immediately".... Not to worry, hezaMtguide--I don't think they'll be enforcing this on Mount Si. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mountainmandoug Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 It's striking to note how silly this whole piece looks. It says that you have to "use" the signaling device. So does that mean that on every trip you must trigger your PLB. Are there legal definitions of "mountain climbing" or even "mountain" or "climbing". Is an ascent of a volcano entirely on skis "climbing", does an alpine rout not qualify as not "mountain climbing" if you don't plan to tag the summit but just descend after finishing the technical part? The section about guiding actually has some bad implications. In the guiding world we mostly carry satellite phones, meaning we have the ability to give detailed information to SAR if need be, which makes rescues both a lot quicker as well as usually less expensive. If this passes probably guides will end up carrying both. My experience in SAR would make me think winter mountaineers are the least in need of carying a PLB. They usually either make it out on there own or die. I think it would actually help SAR more if hunters and mushroom pickers (both sports I have engaged in just for the record) carried PLBs, as it's really easy to get lost doing them and usually there are searches each fall for people out trying to get something to eat out of the woods. Does anyone have contacts with Snohomish SAR? It seems like they might care about what there representatives are up to, and would be in a good position to respond in public. You know, when I can scrape together the money I am planning to get one of those new, small PLB's and carry it all the time. And I would never consider guiding without a compass, altimiter, map, and some means to communicate. So I guess I agree with the practices being legislated here, but I'm not sure they should be legislated, and I'm sure that this piece of legislation is poorly concieved and will be utterly ineffective. It's a wast of our representatives time and our tax dollars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dberdinka Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 I asked a friend who's very active with the local mountain search & rescue group what he thought and got the following response... "You're bang on with your assessment. Off the top of my head, I cannot think of a single rescue mission in my past 7-8 years experience involving a mtn climber climbing above treeline in the months of Nov-March. The missions we do have during that time involve exactly what you mentioned - ob skiers, snowmobilers, backcountry skiers, hunters, etc., and rarely above treeline. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dberdinka Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 BTW here's your legislator, Marko Liass, who's trying to keep you safe! I bet he has a very good understanding of wilderness recreation. :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt_warfield Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 OMG, he looks just like Chris Sharma! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choada_Boy Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 I feel like cutting him open with a light saber and crawling inside. I would rather die a cold, lonely, painful death than carry a PLB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchuck71 Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 Clearly he is an expert based on his quote from his facebook account saying that "it is only like $10 a day to rent a PLB and lnowing the cost of equipment to climb at altitude in the winter this is not much of an expense" (Paraphrased) Has anyone besides myself taken the time to write this man? I am not one to really get too worked up over things but this has kind of put a fire under me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 Maybe you should get some legislation in place requiring fat fucks like him to run 10 miles per day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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