j_b Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 My bad for replying to your post when I was answering to Attila. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 gotcha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 His thesis in a nutshell: socialism leads to Soviet style communism. Â Yeah, after 50 years of Euro socialism, Soviet style communism's breakin' out all over the place.... Â Meanwhile, back in the Land of Freedom...and Gitmo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete_H Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 One of the few things I remember from college was that communism usually pops up in societies fertile for extremist paradigms to take over - with decayed social structures, rampant disparities between rich and poor, and generally a bunch of really pissed off citizenry. Â Seems to me that societies governed with euro-style socialism tend to be the opposite of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_White Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 You might try reading my post a little more slowly. Â Like removing a band-aid, I find its best done quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 His thesis in a nutshell: socialism leads to Soviet style communism. Â Yeah, after 50 years of Euro socialism, Soviet style communism's breakin' out all over the place.... Â Meanwhile, back in the Land of Freedom...and Gitmo. Â True enough, but I don't even want to go there. I am neither a marxist, nor am I a capitalist. It doesn't mean I don't have an ideology (social justice, freedom, ...) but it is much more fundamental than any ism. These right-wing morons and their McCarthyist ancestors have contaminated political discourse by demonizing anyone to the left of Joe Lieberman. Fuck'em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 Completely irrelevant. Nobody here has been arguing for anything marxist despite the constant red-baiting; however, plenty of knuckle-draggers have argued for perpetual war as if they hadn't learned anything from Vietnam.  Bullshit. Whether you accept the moniker or not your socio-political views are indistinguishable from those of any rabid Marxist  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 Completely irrelevant. Nobody here has been arguing for anything marxist despite the constant red-baiting; however, plenty of knuckle-draggers have argued for perpetual war as if they hadn't learned anything from Vietnam.  Bullshit. Whether you accept the moniker or not your socio-political views are indistinguishable from those of any rabid Marxist  Wow. Right on cue. You are a blithering idiot with basically nothing to say, KKK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 As if Attila's repeatedly demonstrated level of perspicacity allowed one to conclude that he knew what is Marxism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirp Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 You might try reading my post a little more slowly. Â Like removing a band-aid, I find its best done quickly. Â Off, you are the coolest! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Puget Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 (edited) Getting back to JFK...think of the Cuban Missle Crisis...to a large extent the result of many blunders by JFK which left the Russian (commies) thinking him a wimp. Now read:  this  and then  this  yep every thread is a variation on back to the future....same plot different crisis to follow.... Edited December 24, 2009 by Peter_Puget Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 Wasn't there a another country called...let me see...it's in the Caribbean...Cuba, yeah, Cuba involved? The one U.S. backed forces tried to invade? Creating, oh, just a small incentive to emplace Russian missiles for self defense? Â But it all has to do with wimpiness, right? Â Go Palin style or go home. Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Puget Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 half assed invasion.........no shock and awe that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 Obama was a joke in Copenhagen because 5% reduction of US emissions in 2020 relative to 1990 is a joke. China may be angling its way toward avoiding more stringent reductions in the future but it couldn't do so without the lack of political will in the US to address climate change. People like PP are responsible for China getting away with being the major CO2 emitter today and its not being constrained to emission reductions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bug Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 Shock and awe? You mean Bush style like Afgahnistan where we gave Osama a little time to rest so he could move his dialysis machinery into Pakistan? Pretty selective memory methinks. Â You haven't been sniffing Tvash's butt hairs have you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 half assed invasion.........no shock and awe that's for sure. Â corporate media propaganda wasn't pervasive enough for any 'shock and awe' invasion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 Cuba's capitol city and others were bombed repeatedly by US trained forces before Bay of Pigs. That was followed by an amphibious invasion force. All trained and supplied by the U.S. Of course, Cuba was silly to treat that as a serious threat. We certainly wouldn't have. Â Castro personally commanded the forces that quickly kicked the shit out of the U.S. backed campaign. He would go on to play a decisive role in kicking our proxy ass in Angola, a victory which led to that country gaining its independence. It was the beginning of a string of U.S. defeats that has lasted right up to the present. Â We should think about staying home more. Especially now that we can no longer afford to vacation abroad. Â But, hey, we got Noriega Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 Fighting national revolutions as a foreign power is a sure way to a losing record of interventions over the long term, but hey, we kicked Aristide's scrawny ass into exile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 half assed invasion.........no shock and awe that's for sure.  corporate media propaganda wasn't pervasive enough for any 'shock and awe' invasion  bougeouis capitalist pigs!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 Nope, just assholes, and if fools like you would join the 20th century it wouldn't have to be that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 See how pointing out the staging of war by the Pentagon for the American public earns me red-baiting by the service goon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Puget Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 And on a sad note look at how J_B and his ilk have resorted several times to personal attacks of various degrees......And TVash you must be tired..certainly Castro wanting Soviet missles in Cuba is not that same as the Soviets thinking that they could get away with placing them there....come on you have standards to maintain...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Puget Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 (edited) Cuba's capitol city and others were bombed repeatedly by US trained forces before Bay of Pigs. That was followed by an amphibious invasion force. All trained and supplied by the U.S. Of course, Cuba was silly to treat that as a serious threat. We certainly wouldn't have.  Castro personally commanded the forces that quickly kicked the shit out of the U.S. backed campaign. He would go on to play a decisive role in kicking our proxy ass in Angola, a victory which led to that country gaining its independence. It was the beginning of a string of U.S. defeats that has lasted right up to the present.  We should think about staying home more. Especially now that we can no longer afford to vacation abroad.  But, hey, we got Noriega  Hmmm ...I remember the Angola civil war as occurring after independence. It was also under Jimmy Carter's wonderful Presidency....check out my tag line! Yes a crappy failure of a Democrat leading to an extended period of "Pax Republicana"  Goldwater => Nixon/Ford Carter=> Ronnie/Bush Obama=>? Edited December 24, 2009 by Peter_Puget Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete_H Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 Shock and awe? You mean Bush style like Afgahnistan where we gave Osama a little time to rest so he could move his dialysis machinery into Pakistan? Â But if we had caught him so easily how would Bush and Cheney have mustered the political capital to invade Iraq? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 we'd have a lot fewer of this daft political debates if more of you would just Do the Right Drugs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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