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[j_b]

My bad for replying to your post when I was answering to Attila.

[tvashtarkatena]

gotcha.

[tvashtarkatena]

His thesis in a nutshell: socialism leads to Soviet style communism.

 

Yeah, after 50 years of Euro socialism, Soviet style communism's breakin' out all over the place....

 

Meanwhile, back in the Land of Freedom...and Gitmo.

[Pete_H]

One of the few things I remember from college was that communism usually pops up in societies fertile for extremist paradigms to take over - with decayed social structures, rampant disparities between rich and poor, and generally a bunch of really pissed off citizenry.

 

Seems to me that societies governed with euro-style socialism tend to be the opposite of that.

[Off_White]

You might try reading my post a little more slowly.

 

Like removing a band-aid, I find its best done quickly.

[j_b]

His thesis in a nutshell: socialism leads to Soviet style communism.

 

Yeah, after 50 years of Euro socialism, Soviet style communism's breakin' out all over the place....

 

Meanwhile, back in the Land of Freedom...and Gitmo.

 

True enough, but I don't even want to go there. I am neither a marxist, nor am I a capitalist. It doesn't mean I don't have an ideology (social justice, freedom, ...) but it is much more fundamental than any ism. These right-wing morons and their McCarthyist ancestors have contaminated political discourse by demonizing anyone to the left of Joe Lieberman. Fuck'em.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

Completely irrelevant. Nobody here has been arguing for anything marxist despite the constant red-baiting; however, plenty of knuckle-draggers have argued for perpetual war as if they hadn't learned anything from Vietnam.

 

Bullshit. Whether you accept the moniker or not your socio-political views are indistinguishable from those of any rabid Marxist

 

[tvashtarkatena]

Completely irrelevant. Nobody here has been arguing for anything marxist despite the constant red-baiting; however, plenty of knuckle-draggers have argued for perpetual war as if they hadn't learned anything from Vietnam.

 

Bullshit. Whether you accept the moniker or not your socio-political views are indistinguishable from those of any rabid Marxist

 

Wow. Right on cue. You are a blithering idiot with basically nothing to say, KKK.

[j_b]

As if Attila's repeatedly demonstrated level of perspicacity allowed one to conclude that he knew what is Marxism.

[chirp]

You might try reading my post a little more slowly.

 

Like removing a band-aid, I find its best done quickly.

 

Off, you are the coolest!

[Peter_Puget]

Getting back to JFK...think of the Cuban Missle Crisis...to a large extent the result of many blunders by JFK which left the Russian (commies) thinking him a wimp. Now read:

 

this

 

and then

 

this

 

yep every thread is a variation on back to the future....same plot different crisis to follow....

Edited December 24, 2009 by Peter_Puget

[tvashtarkatena]

Wasn't there a another country called...let me see...it's in the Caribbean...Cuba, yeah, Cuba involved? The one U.S. backed forces tried to invade? Creating, oh, just a small incentive to emplace Russian missiles for self defense?

 

But it all has to do with wimpiness, right?

 

Go Palin style or go home.

 

 

[Peter_Puget]

half assed invasion.........no shock and awe that's for sure.

[j_b]

Obama was a joke in Copenhagen because 5% reduction of US emissions in 2020 relative to 1990 is a joke. China may be angling its way toward avoiding more stringent reductions in the future but it couldn't do so without the lack of political will in the US to address climate change. People like PP are responsible for China getting away with being the major CO2 emitter today and its not being constrained to emission reductions.

[Bug]

Shock and awe? You mean Bush style like Afgahnistan where we gave Osama a little time to rest so he could move his dialysis machinery into Pakistan?

Pretty selective memory methinks.

 

You haven't been sniffing Tvash's butt hairs have you?

[j_b]

half assed invasion.........no shock and awe that's for sure.

 

corporate media propaganda wasn't pervasive enough for any 'shock and awe' invasion

[tvashtarkatena]

Cuba's capitol city and others were bombed repeatedly by US trained forces before Bay of Pigs. That was followed by an amphibious invasion force. All trained and supplied by the U.S. Of course, Cuba was silly to treat that as a serious threat. We certainly wouldn't have.

 

Castro personally commanded the forces that quickly kicked the shit out of the U.S. backed campaign. He would go on to play a decisive role in kicking our proxy ass in Angola, a victory which led to that country gaining its independence. It was the beginning of a string of U.S. defeats that has lasted right up to the present.

 

We should think about staying home more. Especially now that we can no longer afford to vacation abroad.

 

But, hey, we got Noriega

[j_b]

Fighting national revolutions as a foreign power is a sure way to a losing record of interventions over the long term, but hey, we kicked Aristide's scrawny ass into exile.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

half assed invasion.........no shock and awe that's for sure.

 

corporate media propaganda wasn't pervasive enough for any 'shock and awe' invasion

 

bougeouis capitalist pigs!!!!

[tvashtarkatena]

Nope, just assholes, and if fools like you would join the 20th century it wouldn't have to be that way.

[j_b]

See how pointing out the staging of war by the Pentagon for the American public earns me red-baiting by the service goon?

[Peter_Puget]

And on a sad note look at how J_B and his ilk have resorted several times to personal attacks of various degrees......And TVash you must be tired..certainly Castro wanting Soviet missles in Cuba is not that same as the Soviets thinking that they could get away with placing them there....come on you have standards to maintain......

[Peter_Puget]

Cuba's capitol city and others were bombed repeatedly by US trained forces before Bay of Pigs. That was followed by an amphibious invasion force. All trained and supplied by the U.S. Of course, Cuba was silly to treat that as a serious threat. We certainly wouldn't have.

 

Castro personally commanded the forces that quickly kicked the shit out of the U.S. backed campaign. He would go on to play a decisive role in kicking our proxy ass in Angola, a victory which led to that country gaining its independence. It was the beginning of a string of U.S. defeats that has lasted right up to the present.

 

We should think about staying home more. Especially now that we can no longer afford to vacation abroad.

 

But, hey, we got Noriega

 

Hmmm ...I remember the Angola civil war as occurring after independence. It was also under Jimmy Carter's wonderful Presidency....check out my tag line! Yes a crappy failure of a Democrat leading to an extended period of "Pax Republicana"

 

Goldwater => Nixon/Ford

Carter=> Ronnie/Bush

Obama=>?

Edited December 24, 2009 by Peter_Puget

[Pete_H]

Shock and awe? You mean Bush style like Afgahnistan where we gave Osama a little time to rest so he could move his dialysis machinery into Pakistan?

 

But if we had caught him so easily how would Bush and Cheney have mustered the political capital to invade Iraq?

[ivan]

we'd have a lot fewer of this daft political debates if more of you would just Do the Right Drugs