RuMR Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 finns were amazing snipers... ..one Finn, Simo Hayha, measuring in at 5 ft 3" and nicknamed "White Death" by those he hunted, in particular defied belief... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_H%C3%A4yh%C3%A4 iron sights no less...f-ing badass... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Call me crazy, but I don't believe there is a crime out there that cannot be atoned for. for a dude who looks like buddha, you sure do talk like jesus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 sex offender to be ordained a priest, how's that for a coincidence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Puget Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Go to smokin gun and read the transcripts. Turns out she wasn't so willing despites drugs and he had vaginal and anal intercorse with her. I say throw him jail......the sad thing is that anyone defends him...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 agreed! and the likelihood that she was the only one and that he learned his lesson is next to nil... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 and the likelihood that she was the only one and that he learned his lesson is next to nil... boom! who needs courts and trials anyway? the learning his lesson thing is silly though - how on earth was he gonna rape a 2nd kid and not have it all over the place? is there anyone who said he didn't deserve jail time for what he did? of course he did. he served 40 something days and was supposed to do more - all the hub-bub was over how his plea bargain went down w/ the original judge, who seemed likely to ignore the deal and impose a much longer prison stay than had been agreed. bitching about the sentencing range for a first time sex offender is another matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 well the whole judicial system seems insanely expensive. we should privatize the courts to make them answer to the market. think "the peoples court" here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 and the likelihood that she was the only one and that he learned his lesson is next to nil... boom! who needs courts and trials anyway? the learning his lesson thing is silly though - how on earth was he gonna rape a 2nd kid and not have it all over the place? is there anyone who said he didn't deserve jail time for what he did? of course he did. he served 40 something days and was supposed to do more - all the hub-bub was over how his plea bargain went down w/ the original judge, who seemed likely to ignore the deal and impose a much longer prison stay than had been agreed. bitching about the sentencing range for a first time sex offender is another matter. who said she was the first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 we can start a poll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bug Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Sit on that pole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 who said she was the first? you say he did not learn his lesson, which implies that you believe there were many more victims after the victim that got his balls in a vice to begin w/ - i would not be suprised if he had gotten away w/ a few victims before he got caught, but very suprised if he got away w/ anything afterwards, which would imply he did learn his lesson, even if it was only through the fear of punishment. at any rate, an impartial judge and jury of his peers are the best folks to mete out what, if any, punishment he deserves 30 years after the fact. draconian punishments sound great, and help republicans get votes, but they don't improve our society a bit. if god exists, you can thank that stupid fucker for putting this horrificly common perversion into the craniums of his mud-based incarnations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 I didn't say she was the last either... why would he change his MO? He got away with it once... so...draconian punishments don't work? Well, mr. advanced liberal, what would you suggest?? Maybe a high-five, and an atta-boy for a successful flight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 I didn't say she was the last either... why would he change his MO? He got away with it once... so...draconian punishments don't work? Well, mr. advanced liberal, what would you suggest?? Maybe a high-five, and an atta-boy for a successful flight? uh, rudy, haven't you actually met me? did i strike you in the flesh as super-liberal boy? i'd suggest dealing w/ this sort of crime like all others - with increasing severity of penalites for each recurring crime - and yeah, the second time you rape a kid, that should be it for you and society, so maybe the only difference between the two of us is whether a mofo gets a 2nd chance at life or not - pretty fawking liberal, no? my main problems w/ the death penalty are the extreme expense the state incurs through utilizing it and the irreversible nature of the punishment if new evidence comes to light, but in child rape cases where the evidence often makes a man's guilt incontrivertible, the later isn't so much of an issue. i doubt in his mind that he thinks he "got away with it" - his life was substantially altered, albeit not as extremely as most would wish - how do you think he would have gotten away w/ it since? by killing hte girls and burying them somewhere? by paying off their parents in secret? the story is so sensational, it seems highly unlikely it wouldn't show up in the tabloids to feed the masses. for the roman dude, as i think i said somewhere above, the case is compounded by problems w/ his original judge, his plea deal, and his ensuing flight (seriously, if you haven't seen that hbo documentary, you should, if only b/c it'll put a finer edge on your hate) - he certainly needs to stand before a judge and jury for the flight, and if they and they and the law say he needs to go back behind bars for a good long while for that, that's fine by me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 (edited) Draconian penalties have produced an expensive prison state (2.2 million prisoners...the highest incarceration rate in the world by far), which in turn has bred more criminal behavior (as prison life in the U.S. predictably does). You put a kid in jail for 10 years instead of 6 months and what do you get? White Supremacy or Gansta, depending on the flava. What these 'tough on crime' policies haven't produced is less crime. This is a hard nut to swallow for the moralist dolts who continue voting for the very policies that worsen the problems they claim to be so concerned about. In reality, their ire is merely an expression of an unfulfilled domination and punishment fetish that is seemingly forever unsatisfied, particularly for those of more diminutive physical and mental stature. My brother, who is a public defender, has observed that perps don't even consider the penalties, and most don't even consider how their actions might escalate into the kind of violence that eventually results. Some idiot walks into some other idiot's house to steal their weed, which is valued at $4000 a pound because of our fucked up drug laws, amped up on a B movie fantasy about how he's going to fucking do the thing, myan, someobody opens up with a shotgun, and within a few seconds there are 3 people lying dead on the floor. Woah, man! Anyone who really believes there's a lot of forethought going on here is living in their own little fantasy kingdom. Mental illness also plays a large role in crime, particularly sex crimes; no 'ooh, I might go to jail' thoughts there. Drug use (mostly alcohol), famously accounts its lionshare of bad ideas gone worse. Again, when your inhibitions have been removed by a drug, you really don't think about sentencing policies too much. A case in point is California's prison system, which used to be the nation's model with it's 27% recidivism rate and rehabilitation philosophy. Enter the Reagan era: now the system, which is famously overcrowded, offers little to no rehabilation, has a 72$ recitivism rate. Want more crime? You got it, baby. What does work to reduce crime is the elimination of our idiotic war on drugs and support for a healthy middle class; people who've got somewhere to go Monday morning, watch their neighborhoods, and pay taxes for programs that aid the mentally ill and provide a way for the convicted to rejoin society (um...what's that path now, exactly?). Curiously, the very same constituents who vote for 'throw away the key' policies also vote for policies that have eroded our middle class. Edited October 1, 2009 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 the problem is, non-draconian punishments are counter-intuitive, like the concept that sometimes a sailboat goes faster if it has LESS sail up i imagine tvash would agree though, that a repeat sex offender ultimately has to be removed from society Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ivan Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 my mother in law is convinced i'm proffesor snape, actually before that though it was edward the longshanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Malfoyian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 I have no problem with a society removing organisms that continue to do it harm. It's only natural, after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 I didn't say she was the last either... why would he change his MO? He got away with it once... so...draconian punishments don't work? Well, mr. advanced liberal, what would you suggest?? Maybe a high-five, and an atta-boy for a successful flight? He lives in France, a country where banging 13 year olds is no problem. He moved there for a reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 I didn't say she was the last either... why would he change his MO? He got away with it once... so...draconian punishments don't work? Well, mr. advanced liberal, what would you suggest?? Maybe a high-five, and an atta-boy for a successful flight? He lives in France, a country where banging 13 year olds is no problem. He moved there for a reason. the non-extradition treaty w/ us musta been a nice coincidence then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 "Everything going okay around here? Just checkin'." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bug Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Lots of countries have non-extradition treaties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 the non-extradition treaty w/ us musta been a nice coincidence then Look at France's reaction to similar cases (including this one). Sex with minors is apparently no problem for them culturally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bug Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Draconian penalties have produced an expensive prison state (2.2 million prisoners...the highest incarceration rate in the world by far), which in turn has bred more criminal behavior (as prison life in the U.S. predictably does). You put a kid in jail for 10 years instead of 6 months and what do you get? White Supremacy or Gansta, depending on the flava. What these 'tough on crime' policies haven't produced is less crime. This is a hard nut to swallow for the moralist dolts who continue voting for the very policies that worsen the problems they claim to be so concerned about. In reality, their ire is merely an expression of an unfulfilled domination and punishment fetish that is seemingly forever unsatisfied, particularly for those of more diminutive physical and mental stature. My brother, who is a public defender, has observed that perps don't even consider the penalties, and most don't even consider how their actions might escalate into the kind of violence that eventually results. Some idiot walks into some other idiot's house to steal their weed, which is valued at $4000 a pound because of our fucked up drug laws, amped up on a B movie fantasy about how he's going to fucking do the thing, myan, someobody opens up with a shotgun, and within a few seconds there are 3 people lying dead on the floor. Woah, man! Anyone who really believes there's a lot of forethought going on here is living in their own little fantasy kingdom. Mental illness also plays a large role in crime, particularly sex crimes; no 'ooh, I might go to jail' thoughts there. Drug use (mostly alcohol), famously accounts its lionshare of bad ideas gone worse. Again, when your inhibitions have been removed by a drug, you really don't think about sentencing policies too much. A case in point is California's prison system, which used to be the nation's model with it's 27% recidivism rate and rehabilitation philosophy. Enter the Reagan era: now the system, which is famously overcrowded, offers little to no rehabilation, has a 72$ recitivism rate. Want more crime? You got it, baby. What does work to reduce crime is the elimination of our idiotic war on drugs and support for a healthy middle class; people who've got somewhere to go Monday morning, watch their neighborhoods, and pay taxes for programs that aid the mentally ill and provide a way for the convicted to rejoin society (um...what's that path now, exactly?). Curiously, the very same constituents who vote for 'throw away the key' policies also vote for policies that have eroded our middle class. So you are saying that raping 13 year olds is no worse than selling drugs? Isn't that what a huge percentage of the prison pop is in for (drugs)? I would not put them in the same category. The woman who wants the issue to go away does not want it to go away because it doesn't hurt anymore. She wants it to go away because it hurts so much. "But who cares?" Is that what you are saying? The prisons are full of drug dealers so lets let the first time child rapists off easy? Her life is changed forever because of what he did. There are lots of rape victims who do not have any semblance of a normal life afterwards. Nothing Draconian about that though right? They're just women after all eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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