Kimmo Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 see my post above hmmmm, i fail to see the connection except in a most abstract tangetial way. Quote
olyclimber Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 well you seem to be saying that since the victim has settled, then the issue is closed. i disagree. i certainly am empathetic to the victim, and maybe that is what you are saying...but it has nothing to do with criminal prosecution that the victim doesn't want prosecution. Quote
Kimmo Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 its always traumatic for the victim during trial, but, honestly, without stiff enough punishment, there is no deterrent and a cycle continues... and we all know that if polanski is not extradited, then all hell breaks loose and every perv sees it as a green light. and we all know that in the days of the wild west when you'd take perps behind the barn and string 'em up by the balls, rape and incest and such was wayyyyyy less common. gimme a break. Quote
olyclimber Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 until someone comes up with a better plan (lobotomies?), all we have is consistent enforcement of the law. Quote
Kimmo Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 until someone comes up with a better plan (lobotomies?), all we have is consistent enforcement of the law. lobotomies? i thought it was agreed upon that cheese graters and acid was the way to go. Quote
Kimmo Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 btw, i'll add that i understand all the moral outrage regarding certain occurences. preying on children in the service of one's libido/maladjustments is indeed almost as reprehensible as carpet-bombing them. but remember that when we allow our moral outrage to be our guide, we lose our ability to evaluate, ie our humanness. Quote
olyclimber Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 your sarcasm detector is broken. imo, while some might have moral outrage over this, it is just simple enforcement of laws that have been on the books since when the crime was committed. Quote
Kimmo Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 actually, no. your irony detector is broken. and further, some of the most outraged here freely defend the daily rape of our children by "the market", all in the name of ummm a "free" market. Quote
olyclimber Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 i'm clearly out of my league here. maybe someone can step in here who understands what the hell this nice gentleman (woman?) is talking about. Quote
Bug Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 its always traumatic for the victim during trial, but, honestly, without stiff enough punishment, there is no deterrent and a cycle continues... and we all know that if polanski is not extradited, then all hell breaks loose and every perv sees it as a green light. Noooo. and we all know that in the days of the wild west when you'd take perps behind the barn and string 'em up by the balls, rape and incest and such was wayyyyyy less common. gimme a break. You almost got it then fizzled at the end. I have two daughters 12 and 14. I also have 2 step daughters 15 and 16. Not one of them is street smart enough to keep out of the grip of a determined pedifile. And I'm not talking about your standard nobody who happens to take advantage of situations when they occur. We are talking about a rich and smart adult who planned this out and followed through on it. This was not a little mistake. This is his mo. I would bet good money that this one we know about is a scratch on the surface. Pervs are pervs because they like a specific age and that age is not legal. If it were one of my daughters, I would have visited France by now. I don't care about "deterrent". There is none. Perv's are incurable. Quote
Kimmo Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 i'm clearly out of my league here. maybe someone can step in here who understands what the hell this nice gentleman (woman?) is talking about. call tvash. he always seems to have a handle on it. Quote
RuMR Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 its always traumatic for the victim during trial, but, honestly, without stiff enough punishment, there is no deterrent and a cycle continues... and we all know that if polanski is not extradited, then all hell breaks loose and every perv sees it as a green light. and we all know that in the days of the wild west when you'd take perps behind the barn and string 'em up by the balls, rape and incest and such was wayyyyyy less common. gimme a break. well, lemme just say that someone touches my kid, he will disappear...call it what you want, the fucker's gonna disappear... Quote
RuMR Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 actually, no. your irony detector is broken. and further, some of the most outraged here freely defend the daily rape of our children by "the market", all in the name of ummm a "free" market. you sher talk a good line of shit, kimmo...it'd be interesting to get your take if it was your daughter that was the victim...i wonder if you could take the moral high ground... my visceral reaction is just that...a visceral one, based on how i would feel if it was my daughter...i'd want that fucker's head on a platter... Quote
RuMR Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 its always traumatic for the victim during trial, but, honestly, without stiff enough punishment, there is no deterrent and a cycle continues... and we all know that if polanski is not extradited, then all hell breaks loose and every perv sees it as a green light. Noooo. and we all know that in the days of the wild west when you'd take perps behind the barn and string 'em up by the balls, rape and incest and such was wayyyyyy less common. gimme a break. You almost got it then fizzled at the end. I have two daughters 12 and 14. I also have 2 step daughters 15 and 16. Not one of them is street smart enough to keep out of the grip of a determined pedifile. And I'm not talking about your standard nobody who happens to take advantage of situations when they occur. We are talking about a rich and smart adult who planned this out and followed through on it. This was not a little mistake. This is his mo. I would bet good money that this one we know about is a scratch on the surface. Pervs are pervs because they like a specific age and that age is not legal. If it were one of my daughters, I would have visited France by now. I don't care about "deterrent". There is none. Perv's are incurable. it was planned out..no two ways about it...the guy should get kicked in the nutz and thrown in the brig...period, end of story... Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 its always traumatic for the victim during trial, but, honestly, without stiff enough punishment, there is no deterrent and a cycle continues... and we all know that if polanski is not extradited, then all hell breaks loose and every perv sees it as a green light. and we all know that in the days of the wild west when you'd take perps behind the barn and string 'em up by the balls, rape and incest and such was wayyyyyy less common. gimme a break. well, lemme just say that someone touches my kid, he will disappear...call it what you want, the fucker's gonna disappear... a shotgun blast to the groin would be sufficient IMO Quote
RuMR Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 too messy...you'd get caught...i'm thinking somewhere at the bottom of the Sound... Quote
G-spotter Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 perpetuate the circle of violence, or end it? Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 perpetuate the circle of violence, or end it? pedophiles are incurable Quote
prole Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 Perv's are incurable. I don't know that I'd give "normals" that much credit either. Quote
RuMR Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 perpetuate the circle of violence, or end it? that'd end one bit of the cycle... Quote
RuMR Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 (edited) Kimmo, is your position (and forget all the bs you're spewing) that this man should go free, not be extradited to serve a sentence for a conviction? This is a Y or N question... Edited September 29, 2009 by RuMR Quote
G-spotter Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 Provide one scrap of evidence that harsh penalties have ever deterred perverts? Quote
RuMR Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 well...locking them up and throwing away the key tends to stop that particular perv, correct? Quote
RuMR Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 (edited) actually dru, you are right...we should just give 'em a little fine and send them on their merry way...or let them join the clergy... you stupid idiot... Edited September 29, 2009 by RuMR Quote
ivan Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 Perv's are incurable. I don't know that I'd give "normals" that much credit either. this is the exact point i tried to make back on page 1 - hello, our society encourages us to be pervs! for christ's sake, when some folks gave me free baby clothes for my little girl, half the shit had writing plastered all over the ass! Quote
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