Fairweather Posted February 3, 2009 Author Share Posted February 3, 2009 BTW, the 9 billion is basically a continuation of the Bush doctrine bailout with an extra billion or so tossed in and more restrictions on the recipients isn't it. This is where you're being duped (BTW; it's $900 billion). This bill is completely separate from Bush's $700bn TARP program and the half left for the Obama Administration to allocate. This is a completely new spending bill--over and above Bush's-- that contains only a modest amount of real economic stimulus. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/02/02/key-democrat-says-lawmakers-strip-tens-billions-stimulus/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 BTW, the 9 billion is basically a continuation of the Bush doctrine bailout with an extra billion or so tossed in and more restrictions on the recipients isn't it. This is a completely new spending bill--over and above Bush's-- that contains only a modest amount of real economic stimulus. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/02/02/key-democrat-says-lawmakers-strip-tens-billions-stimulus/ Well that all depends on how you define economic stimulus. If the bill creates jobs that will in turn stimulate economic growth, then I believe that to be economic stimulus. But if its a bailout to allow banks to lend money to businesses and consumers that'll get them deeper in debt..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 BTW, the 9 billion is basically a continuation of the Bush doctrine bailout with an extra billion or so tossed in and more restrictions on the recipients isn't it. This is where you're being duped (BTW; it's $900 billion). This bill is completely separate from Bush's $700bn TARP program and the half left for the Obama Administration to allocate. This is a completely new spending bill--over and above Bush's-- that contains only a modest amount of real economic stimulus. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/02/02/key-democrat-says-lawmakers-strip-tens-billions-stimulus/ NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! [video:youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZN4HOoIIfo Fuckin' crybaby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal_Con Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 This guy doesn't like it either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pc313 Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 GOP in EXILE! GOP wins!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 MSNBC: What happens when you put ex-Microsofties in front of a camera. It's a ROFLCOPTER a minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 The hypocrisy of conservatives is mind-numbing: The Bush tax cuts, all of them were financed with borrowed money. And where did we end up at the end of the Bush administration? If you add up all of the bailouts that the Bush administration did in the fall, the investments, the spending and the guarantees, it’s over $8 trillion. How much money is that? It is more than all of the income taxes paid by all Americans for the entire eight years of the Bush administration. http://www.democracynow.org/2009/2/2/david_cay_johnston_more_corporate_tax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dechristo Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 "...we need action by our government, a recovery plan that will help to jumpstart the economy." — PRESIDENT-ELECT BARACK OBAMA, JANUARY 9 , 2009 [paraphrase] The line from Barack Obama and Joe Biden is that all economists agree with a stimulus package to expand government spending. So, they won't have been happy to see a full page advertisement in the January 28, 2009 edition of New York Times disagreeing, signed by around 200 academic economists, including three Nobel prize-winners. [/paraphrase] "Notwithstanding reports that all economists are now Keynesians and that we all support a big increase in the burden of government, we do not believe that more government spending is a way to improve economic performance. More government spending by Hoover and Roosevelt did not pull the United States economy out of the Great Depression in the 1930s. More government spending did not solve Japan's "lost decade" in the 1990s. 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prole Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 To improve the economy, policy makers should focus on reforms that remove impediments to work, saving, investment and production. Lower tax rates and a reduction in the burden of government are the best ways of using fiscal policy to boost growth. How do you think we got in this mess, dumbshit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dechristo Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 "How do you think we got in this mess..."? Jon and Timmay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dechristo Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 (edited) And, btw, are you addressing me or one or all of the hundreds listed above that have greater authority than you in the subject? Edited February 12, 2009 by Dechristo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 "Ng, what we need to do here is umn yeah, reduce corporate taxes, and then umm deregulate industry. The ngg profits from ynug outsourcing jobs and removing protections for workers and the environment will unh trickle down on, uh I mean down to, everyone nyag. I uhh have it all written down on this cocktail napkin. yggg Let's first assume we have a can opener... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dechristo Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 I do perceive at least one Nobel laureate to proceed in that manner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dechristo Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Coincidentally, this photo showed simultaneously in the sidebar - evidence of my own self-centered, carbon-spewing, ear-marking, pork: condemning photo by Syudla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STP Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Studying the experience of countries that have experienced great depressions during the twentieth century teaches us that massive public interventions in the economy to maintain employment and investment during a financial crisis can, if they distort incentives enough, lead to a great depression. -- Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis / Research Department Staff Report 421 (The Current Financial Crisis: What Should We Learn from the Great Depressions of the Twentieth Century?) The analysis of great depressions shows that the type of shock that starts the depression is less important than reaction to the shock by the economy and, in particular, the government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted February 12, 2009 Author Share Posted February 12, 2009 How do you think we got in this mess, dumbshit? I think that, deep down, you actually like this whole debacle. It slows consumption, and brings us one step closer to the type of government you dream of. Dumbshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 I love how all this money is a big deal for you now. How's your payoff from Hank Paulson working out? Why don'tcha go eat some tainted peanut butter, you stupid hump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 It's quite enertaining to view the hyprocisy and stunning reversal of right from shovelling money out the door and into rat holes to now trying to block every effort in spending. Bottom like is they got their asses kicked and want to make for rough sledding at every turn. Don't you guys have any ideas besides tax cuts for crying out loud? Eight years of your BS got us where we are now. Sit down and shut up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 I think that, deep down, you actually like this whole debacle. If that were the case, then I'd have voted for John McCain and Sarah Palin and continue blindly touting the very same failed policies that created the problems. Namely, tax cuts for the rich, deregulation, trickle-down horseshit, and letting the "self-regulating market" take care of everything from Ponzi schemes to peanut butter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wastral Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 The demlicans gave us the budget for the last umpteen years giving us our huge debt without even counting "solcial security" and medicair which are completely unfunded. Where has the debt come from? The fact that we have been spending money to keep the good times rolling to cover our $500Billion a year trade deficit as a nation. That means that for every man woman and child in USA we throw: $500B/300M = approxamitely $1666 dollars a person thrown OUT of the country. That money has to come from somewhere. Keep throwing money away to China/India, guess what, its a depression in USA and China/India is booming. Get rid of regulations like OSHA and unions which create GIANT burdens on ALL businesses to do anything. How much does it cost to change a light bulb after getting 3 permits(bribes) and how many of your own workers who can't work because there is no light? Instead of just changing the light bulb yourself? Yea, that is why businesses are RUNNING from the USA. Not taxes, REGULATIONS. Can't fart or pick your nose without a permit and 5 "safety" inspectors checking out your technique. Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billcoe Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 ...as a great big THANK YOU to those who supported Democrats in 2008. But it looks like this bill is too rancid even for a few honorable senate Dems. Will there be enough of them crossing over to give this abomination the smack down it deserves? If I can paraphrase your statement: "It was 8 years of relentless hard work for Bush/Cheney to steer us into this massive shithole, how come the dems can't fix it in 15 min?" so with that in mind..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Get rid of regulations like OSHA and unions which create GIANT burdens on ALL businesses to do anything. How much does it cost to change a light bulb after getting 3 permits(bribes) and how many of your own workers who can't work because there is no light? Instead of just changing the light bulb yourself? Yea, that is why businesses are RUNNING from the USA. Not taxes, REGULATIONS. Can't fart or pick your nose without a permit and 5 "safety" inspectors checking out your technique. Brian Been there, done that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wastral Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 (edited) Havent had a trade surplus since 1975. We have been using inflation and a huge national debt to cover this fact. The chickens have finally come home to roost. Look what a good 2000 square foot house cost in 1975. $35,000 Now, its $200,000. That is a 5x to 6x inflation in 30 years. Pretty sad. Food prices have been subsidized by the feds, thus they have remained low. In other words, they inflated the dollar so we keep buying less and less even though our consumption(imports) from outside of the USA are increasing. Its called an unstable system. Just a matter of time before the chickens start crapping all over the parade. Brian Edited February 13, 2009 by Wastral Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billcoe Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Get rid of regulations like OSHA and unions which create GIANT burdens on ALL businesses to do anything. How much does it cost to change a light bulb after getting 3 permits(bribes) and how many of your own workers who can't work because there is no light? Instead of just changing the light bulb yourself? Yea, that is why businesses are RUNNING from the USA. Not taxes, REGULATIONS. Can't fart or pick your nose without a permit and 5 "safety" inspectors checking out your technique. Brian As a business owner, I've never seen OSHA in this state being overly burdensome. The few encounters I've personally had with OSHA have been productive, simple and easy. They run pretty lean and frankly I'm happy they exist. Maybe you have some specific example of something different though. Don't know if I can argue the union thing, but clearly that is a choice workers can and do make. If it makes them unprofitable, then it's sadly goodby.(car industry, GM is union, Nisson and Toyota in the US are non-union -but are the unions the reason for the demise? Maybe a bit.) There are a lot of things which we have that overseas competition can often skip. Environmental and government regulation is a small part I'm sure, however, I suspect that our over litigious legal system is a much greater cost. That hidden tax gets slapped on us by our fellow jurists. If average people on these juries started looking askance at some of these lawsuits and calling bullshit, they'd go away. They do have an actual function of helping to protect us all. Government policies on both sides of the ocean do contribute, I'm not saying they do not. Until recently, in my industry, any Chinese company who exported into the US, received an additional 13% on top of what they exported kicked right back to them from their government. Coupled with low labor costs and low taxes....it was substantial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wastral Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 (edited) Well, when a kid from High School with 0 job experience can make $50k a year in the car and aerospace industry, while a college engineering graduate makes the same, something is wrong... Its called union Yes, I agree, litigation is also a huge concern. As far as I am concerned, the judge should be allowed to rule against the litigator for twice the damages they were seeking from the defendant when its clear its a complete BS case. Like the McDonalds coffee case and umpteen millions of other cases. It would clear up our legal system in a jiffy. Brian Edited February 13, 2009 by Wastral Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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