Obama is a Douchebag Sellout

[STP]

His task is to remain truthful to the claims he made to represent the people that elected him. I'm not seeing that in his decision making with regards to his cabinet picks or in the backtracking he's already doing from the claims he made to garner votes. While I understand that the idea of representative democracy is utterly foreign to you Jay, I think that you can grasp the concept.

 

Oh, I thought his job was to transform the country in the next phase of development...in response to a false flag operation masquerading as a biological attack.

 

Get it??

[tvashtarkatena]

Personally, as a voter, I've seen nothing that Obama's done so far that contradicts what he campaigned to do. He's picking a Lincoln style cabinet; a philosophy I agree with. It's probably helpful to remember that he hasn't been sworn in yet, so he actually hasn't really done anything as president.

 

Still waiting for that list of Prole cabinet picks. Love to hear who you think would better represent me and everyone else here who voted the ticket.

[billcoe]

Sh*t Prole, is there anything you Don't bitch about? I only have personal knowledge of one person. Bill Richardson. I have heard that he is the most ineffective administrator ever. Period.

 

He jumped on the Obama train early and as a minority would normally be a candidate for one of these jobs. That Obama didn't pick an obvious political hack due to political reasons I find very encouraging. THATS REAL CHANGE RIGHT THERE DUDE. Some of the folks he chose were acknowledged qualified people head and shoulders above others and obvious choices. Some you can argue about (Hillary). I wasn't 100% convinced during the primaries that Obama was the dude, but as I said then, I was still at least 65%/35% thinking Obama was better than John McCain for the challenges we face as a country. The challenges the new pres is facing are arguably as harsh as any president since Truman. This is the guy for that job. My opinion, obviously you don't agree.

 

So perhaps you really need to move to China,, I hear they are constructing the workers paradise over there.

[prole]

Obama? Bill, you were talking up Paul Ron or Bob Barr or some other 'tard right up to the last minute! If I remember correctly it was Obama's TV Special that put you over the top. I don't want to get all nitpicky, but that's what I remember. Anyway, we have to wait and see if the Lincoln playbook works under the fundamentally different conditions we're facing. Don't worry, I'm working on those cabinet picks, I'm just stuck between Isaac Hayes and George Clinton for Minister of Funk.

[prole]

"special interest group voodoo".

 

I'll keep the phrase in mind when the VA comes around with the begging bowl.

 

Clearly you are a total nut job.

 

Sorry if you're slow. The point here is that the term "special interest group" is an overused rhetorical gimmick that can and has been trotted out in order to marginalize anyone with whose aims one doesn't agree with. Blacks, women, gays, workers, children, soldiers, immigrants, worshippers, the poor, the elderly, veterans: Pretty soon we're talking about real people! Now if you want to talk about Enron & Friends crafting energy policy behind closed doors in Dick Cheney's office, that's another story.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

I am curious, though, which country you picked as most closely representative of your ideals.

 

That's easy: 1930's republican Spain. I'm not sure why this is a big deal. Trying to play "gotcha" again? To make it easier, I'd say I could think of a number of western European democracies and others around the world during different periods of the 20th century that I'd find more appealing than what this country has turned into. Namely, those that focused more attention and resources on fostering and institutionalizing enlightenment values and republican participation in the political process, those dealing more effectively with the stark inequalities in opportunities and living standards for regular folks, those that took the lessons from two world wars to heart and rejected chauvinist nationalism and belligerent "know-nothingism". Those that decided that education and culture and leisure and honest work and individual growth and preserving the integrity of the land require something more than "don't worry, lavishly rewarding humanity's worst impulses and basest desires will lead us to the promised land".

 

Yep, pretty few and far between, fleeting glimpses really. Dumb thugs, aristocratic leftovers, fascists, economic kooks, shortsighted union bosses, IMF technocrats, and American firepower and skullduggery have done their job well. So good in fact that when all their bubbles stop popping they may find they've taken democracy with it.

 

You're one whiny little bitch. Glass half empty? You could have a glass full to the brim and complain that the minuscus deprived you of a few microliters. Do yourself a favor and take advantage of initiative 1000 you sorry douche.

 

[prole]

Is that the eugenics program you're starting?

[ivan]

I'm just stuck between Isaac Hayes and George Clinton for Minister of Funk.

well, chef's dead dude, so that might make your selection a wee bit easier

[billcoe]

Obama? Bill, you were talking up Paul Ron or Bob Barr or some other 'tard right up to the last minute! If I remember correctly it was Obama's TV Special that put you over the top. I don't want to get all nitpicky, but that's what I remember. Anyway, we have to wait and see if the Lincoln playbook works under the fundamentally different conditions we're facing. Don't worry, I'm working on those cabinet picks, I'm just stuck between Isaac Hayes and George Clinton for Minister of Funk.

 

I voted for Barr Prole. Neither candidate was addressing what I thought was important. Balancing the budget being #1. I said at the time that I'd go with Obama 65%/35% over McCain if that was the choice. I was able to vote my way because the election in this state was overwhelmingly for Obama, had it been close, which it wasn't, I would have voted Obama. I thought Obamas TV special was fantastic, it is true but it didn't shift the percentage much for me just because a guy could buy a TV program. I'd already given the lead to Obama because of the debates and the way he'd handled himself in the primary. Especially where Hillary started attacking him, and he responded that he wouldn't retaliat in kind: and he didn't. Bravo for that.

 

BTW, previous election, it was the Bush attacks on Kerry which totally cemented me 100% in the Kerry camp. That a candidate needs to make up lies about there opponent should be discouraged, although most didn't see it that way and the low-life approach the Bush campaign took did reward that approach.

 

If I get a vote on your cabinet pic, I've always loved Isaac Hayes, especially when he was the Duke of NY in the Snake Plisken movie. Sad to see him gone, I'd probably vote for him anyway, and you could put George Wallace (the comedian) in there in his place.

 

BTW, I suspect that soon enough, all of us will have plenty to bitch about, you are just starting in sooner than the rest of us. I hope that's not true: but suspect otherwise.

Edited December 2, 2008 by billcoe

[billcoe]

Sh*t Prole, is there anything you Don't bitch about? I only have personal knowledge of one person. Bill Richardson. I have heard that he is the most ineffective administrator ever. Period.

 

He jumped on the Obama train early and as a minority would normally be a candidate for one of these jobs. That Obama didn't pick an obvious political hack due to political reasons I find very encouraging. THATS REAL CHANGE RIGHT THERE DUDE.

 

Holy crap, the very NEXT click goes to google news and I see this story as of 43 min ago, 2 hours after I posted that up there. No joke.

 

F**K ME IN THE ASS WITHOUT LUBRICATION LINK

 

"President-elect Barack Obama will formally announce New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson as his commerce secretary on Wednesday, FOX News has confirmed.

 

Richardson will join Obama at a news conference in Chicago for the announcement, a Democratic official told The Associated Press.

 

Richardson, an early and outspoken supporter of Obama during the Democratic primary this year, reportedly was disappointed that the secretary of state job went to Sen. Hillary Clinton. But Obama convinced him he would play a major role as commerce secretary, and help him promote key legislation in Congress.

 

Richardson was energy secretary and United Nations ambassador in President Clinton's administration. He sought the Democratic presidential nomination this year, but eventually dropped out and endorsed Obama.

 

He is one of the nation's most prominent Hispanic politicians, and was in the U.S. House before joining Clinton's Cabinet.

 

Obama named his economic team last week and his national security team on Monday, filling half of his Cabinet."

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I TAKE BACK EVERYTHING I JUST POSTED UP THERE. UNFRIKKAN BELIVABLE What was the title of that post? Oh, "Obama is a Douchebag Sellout"

 

I understand your point of view better now.

Edited December 2, 2008 by billcoe

[dmuja]

His "first task" is to do no further harm. He inherited one hell of a mess and he's smart enough to know he needs experienced people at his side - especially at the beginning. Plus, I guess we know for sure now that he's no socialist he might still be a terrorist or a fag though

 

On the other hand, I haven't heard shit from him lately about a national health care plan (wtf?). Being he declared on national tv that health care is a "right" I'm sure he will soon begin to hear from the peepo 'bout this.

 

Election day may have come and gone, but amazingly the world still resembles the non-utopia it was the day before. It's incumbent on us to continue to keep OBwan honest and true to his word. If you really care enough (beyond an internet bitch fest) Im sure you've already organized up.

[mattp]

His "first task" is to do no further harm.

 

Well put, muja. Before his first year is out I will probably join Prole in complaining that Obama isn't liberal enough but right out of the box I think it is a good idea to retain Gates and bring on some recognized "experts" for his economic team.

[prole]

I'd like to see an organized student loan/medical bill/credit card debt strike. Those interested would suspend payments of their debts for one monthly billing cycle as a demonstration of organized debtor power. Subsequent debt strikes would endure until sufficient restructuring of the national health and education systems along the lines of increased coverage and opportunity that Obama suggested during his campaign had been made. Reform of bankruptcy, repossession, foreclosure, and predatory lending law would also need to be addressed.

Edited December 3, 2008 by prole

[Braydon]

Hey Obama, keep making the "right" choices.

 

Get it? Oh man I'm good...

[Skeezix]

Who's Barr? Oh ...I looked him up. Eight people in the whole country voted for him. Four other people voted for Paul Ron. There's a mandate.

 

Assclowns.

[Fairweather]

I'd like to see an organized student loan/medical bill/credit card debt strike. Those interested would suspend payments of their debts for one monthly billing cycle as a demonstration of organized debtor power. Subsequent debt strikes would endure until sufficient restructuring of the national health and education systems along the lines of increased coverage and opportunity that Obama suggested during his campaign had been made. Reform of bankruptcy, repossession, foreclosure, and predatory lending law would also need to be addressed.

 

 

Sounds like someone's been living beyond their means, hmmmm? You're getting wackier by the day.

 

 

I can conjure up a great deal of sympathy for individuals and families hit with medical debt, but anyone who runs up an 18% credit card, signs a mortgage they can't afford, fails to pay back their ridiculously easy-term student loans (for an education that was already 75% taxpayer funded!), or defaults on an auto loan isn't worthy of much sympathy at all.

[prole]

I'd like to see an organized student loan/medical bill/credit card debt strike. Those interested would suspend payments of their debts for one monthly billing cycle as a demonstration of organized debtor power. Subsequent debt strikes would endure until sufficient restructuring of the national health and education systems along the lines of increased coverage and opportunity that Obama suggested during his campaign had been made. Reform of bankruptcy, repossession, foreclosure, and predatory lending law would also need to be addressed.

 

 

Sounds like someone's been living beyond their means, hmmmm? You're getting wackier by the day.

 

 

I can conjure up a great deal of sympathy for individuals and families hit with medical debt, but anyone who runs up an 18% credit card, signs a mortgage they can't afford, fails to pay back their ridiculously easy-term student loans (for an education that was already 75% taxpayer funded!), or defaults on an auto loan isn't worthy of much sympathy at all.

 

What planet are you on? Or is this just your e-character playing dumb?

 

College May Become Unaffordable for Most in U.S.

By TAMAR LEWIN

December 3, 2008

 

The rising cost of college — even before the recession — threatens to put higher education out of reach for most Americans, according to the annual report from the National Center for Public Policy and Higher Education.

 

Over all, the report found, published college tuition and fees increased 439 percent from 1982 to 2007, adjusted for inflation, while median family income rose 147 percent. Student borrowing has more than doubled in the last decade, and students from lower-income families, on average, get smaller grants from the colleges they attend than students from more affluent families.

 

“If we go on this way for another 25 years, we won’t have an affordable system of higher education,” said Patrick M. Callan, president of the center, a nonpartisan organization that promotes access to higher education.

 

“When we come out of the recession,” Mr. Callan added, “we’re really going to be in jeopardy, because the educational gap between our work force and the rest of the world will make it very hard to be competitive. Already, we’re one of the few countries where 25- to 34-year-olds are less educated than older workers.”

 

Although college enrollment has continued to rise in recent years, Mr. Callan said, it is not clear how long that can continue.

 

“The middle class has been financing it through debt,” he said. “The scenario has been that families that have a history of sending kids to college will do whatever if takes, even if that means a huge amount of debt.”

 

But low-income students, he said, will be less able to afford college. Already, he said, the strains are clear.

 

The report, “Measuring Up 2008,” is one of the few to compare net college costs — that is, a year’s tuition, fees, room and board, minus financial aid — against median family income. Those findings are stark. Last year, the net cost at a four-year public university amounted to 28 percent of the median family income, while a four-year private university cost 76 percent of the median family income.--from NYT 12/3/08

[Fairweather]

College is expensive. Duh? But when you compare the earning power of that college graduate against the earning power of the high school graduate, again, your tears are for naught. And the $5800.00 average that a (Washington) state college/university currently charges in tuition is a damn good deal when you consider the true cost of that education--and the fact that we are taxing the garbageman, the janitor, and the truck driver to subsidize little Johnny's big dream. You're not really this stupid, are you? When taxpayers gifted you 75%, it's more than a little ungrateful to bitch about the remainder. Pay your own fucking bills, slacker.

Edited December 3, 2008 by Fairweather

[prole]

So you're suggesting that we further decrease class-mobility and equality of opportunity and create a scenario where we have a permanent underclass of garbagemen, janitors, and truck-drivers who have little or no hope of sending their kids to college? (I can see why you like guns so much.) I'm not so sure those folks would mind if some of their tax money went into a fund to help their kids and their neighbors kids go to college. Beats the shit out of that money going to fund wars their kids are going to die in.

 

 

[Fairweather]

So you're suggesting that we further decrease class-mobility and equality of opportunity and create a scenario where we have a permanent underclass of garbagemen, janitors, and truck-drivers who have little or no hope of sending their kids to college? (I can see why you like guns so much.) I'm not so sure those folks would mind if some of their tax money went into a fund to help their kids and their neighbors kids go to college.

 

 

That's exactly what they've been doing. Unfortunately, ungrateful punks like you seem intent on offering them only spit and condescension in return. You sound like a petulant little boy who didn't get everything he wanted for Christmas. If our universities are turning out trash like you, maybe said laborers would be better off sending their kids to learn a trade. Your "debtor-strike" idea is one of the most offensive things ever posted on this site--and that says a lot.

[prole]

So you're suggesting that we further decrease class-mobility and equality of opportunity and create a scenario where we have a permanent underclass of garbagemen, janitors, and truck-drivers who have little or no hope of sending their kids to college? (I can see why you like guns so much.) I'm not so sure those folks would mind if some of their tax money went into a fund to help their kids and their neighbors kids go to college.

 

 

That's exactly what they've been doing. Unfortunately, ungrateful punks like you seem intent on offering them only spit and condescension in return.

 

I'm not following you here. Please read the posted article and clarify.

 

Your "debtor-strike" idea is one of the most offensive things ever posted on this site--and that says a lot.

That is saying a lot. Coming from the likes of you that means it probably warrants more investigation. I'll look into it, I'm sure there must be some historical precedent. I'll get back to you.

[STP]

We're not Argentina but watch this:

 

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My take is that we need real accountability and transparency in gov't and in business. Sure that's a broad statement but the crisis might have been prevented if we had those in place.

 

Now strikes. Check out how they do strikes in South America.

 

Our truckers have already discussed this option in response to rising fuel prices several months prior. Guess that since prices are decreasing in a deflationary spiral then a strike is not imminent.

[tvashtarkatena]

Who's Barr? Oh ...I looked him up. Eight people in the whole country voted for him. Four other people voted for Paul Ron. There's a mandate.

 

Assclowns.

 

It can be difficult to determine how Bill's mind works. Or if it works.

 

Regarding Prole's debt repayment strike: we could call it the March of the Deadbeats. I happily paid my student loan back, on time, at 10% interest (a decent rate in those days), during a recession, so kindly STFU, you fucking little whiner.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

 

STFU, Prole: linky

[billcoe]

I think Prole is feeling that he should have gone with the Maverick.

 

 

and his wingman:

 

That bear, a known environmentalist, seen here resting on those ever so soft and sensuous shoulders, would have been Sec. of Interior. Guess who would have gotten special rights then and been re-introduced to California?