Gary_Yngve Posted September 12, 2008 Posted September 12, 2008 It's well known that McCain doesn't know crap about economics and has some pretty extreme views on the middle class (like defined as makes less than $5mil, thinks economy is going fine but Americans are whiny). Now Palin has argued that she has experience with budgets at the local and state level. My counter to that is a monkey could have managed Alaska's budget. They have so much surplus from the feds/oil companies that there aren't the hard decisions to make in a tight budget. Second, Palin managed to increase state revenue and increase oil company revenue at the same time by raping the environment. That shortsighted mindset cannot be allowed at the national level! Quote
underworld Posted September 12, 2008 Posted September 12, 2008 you don't get out much, do you. last night's forum with mccain and obama - mccain admitted that the econmomy is shit. they both had the same answers to everything. also obama has said he will not do away with bush's tax cuts until the economy improves. in other words - wait till the economy picks up before hurting it. Quote
Gary_Yngve Posted September 12, 2008 Author Posted September 12, 2008 it's about time mccain finally admitted it. in the past few weeks we've seen their ticket embrace change over experience. palin is now saying that climate change could be manmade. they are flip-flopping so badly on the issues, only because they had them so wrong to begin with. they are stealing all of obama's longtime issues and calling them their own. Quote
underworld Posted September 12, 2008 Posted September 12, 2008 umm.. isn't it obama that is following the repub's lead. with the tax cuts and the military talk? maybe both sides are actually trending towards eachother. might not be a bad thing Quote
akhalteke Posted September 12, 2008 Posted September 12, 2008 "they are stealing all of obama's longtime issues " IE flip flopping? Quote
Gary_Yngve Posted September 12, 2008 Author Posted September 12, 2008 What you call flip-flopping I call prudence and good judgment with the consideration of changing times. Obama has had that principle from day 1. The repubs have been consistently "stay the path," "must not deviate from ancient policy" and i find it hard to believe that they now intend to do otherwise, no matter what they say. Quote
underworld Posted September 12, 2008 Posted September 12, 2008 it's the path that obama is now jumping onto! you guys have talked about how smart he is - he's showing it now! Quote
akhalteke Posted September 12, 2008 Posted September 12, 2008 What you call flip-flopping I call prudence and good judgment with the consideration of changing times. Obama has had that principle from day 1. The repubs have been consistently "stay the path," "must not deviate from ancient policy" and i find it hard to believe that they now intend to do otherwise, no matter what they say. Semantics. When McCain flip-flops, you call a spade a spade. When Obama does, it is "prudence" and "Good judgment." Surely you see the irony here. Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted September 12, 2008 Posted September 12, 2008 (edited) The American conservative's love affair with hanging onto a failed idea explains 8 years of Bush. In their view, it's better to appear right, to exude confidence in your wrongness, rather than to change course. Look at The Incubator; their new mascot. She's stridently, confidently and aggressively ignorant on just about every issue of national importance. The woman couldn't change course if she wanted to; she doesn't even realize she's on a ship. Does she even know what a ship is, for that matter? Edited September 12, 2008 by tvashtarkatena Quote
underworld Posted September 12, 2008 Posted September 12, 2008 it's a policy that obama clearly stated (does he state anything unclearly? ) he will not change that policy. Quote
olyclimber Posted September 12, 2008 Posted September 12, 2008 here is some "straight talk" http://www.wcsh6.com/video/default.aspx?maven_playerId=immersiveplayer&maven_referralObject=850878100 geesh.... Quote
Doug Posted September 12, 2008 Posted September 12, 2008 Does Obama look and sound that bad when he's being interviewed? God, talk about stiff and cold! Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted September 12, 2008 Posted September 12, 2008 She's the most popular governor in America. Did you guys get that? Want me to repeat it? Quote
billcoe Posted September 12, 2008 Posted September 12, 2008 She's the most popular governor in America. Did you guys get that? Want me to repeat it? We get it. Isn't it 80% of Alaskans love her? What does that say? Or the fact that a small town re-elected her. Small towns are notorious for looking at every little fault you or your relatives have? What does that tell you. We get that part T. Quote
Jim Posted September 12, 2008 Posted September 12, 2008 Holy cow. If we elect another bumbler like this into white house we deserve what we get. By the way. The straight talk express seems to be doing doughnuts in the mud wallow with their latest ad regarding Obama's kindergarden porno program. Yea, a real straight up guy that McCain. Quote
billcoe Posted September 12, 2008 Posted September 12, 2008 If we elect another bumbler like this into white house we deserve what we get. My feeling is that you are gonna get one and there is nothing you can do about it. The main difference is that one has darker skin and is much younger than the other one, you will not be happy with either. Plan on it. Have a nice day. Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted September 12, 2008 Posted September 12, 2008 (edited) Well, at least you get something for a change. Wasilla is a shithole (yes, I've been there several times) suburb of Anchorage with 6000 residents. Basically a string of cheap plywood strip malls, matchbox housing, and storage units along the Anchorage/Talkeetna corridor. It makes Lynnwood look like New York City. If George, Washington is your idea of the average American town, well, then so is Wasilla. Alaska has the smallest population of all 50 states; less than 700K. That means about 300 million Americans had never even heard of Palin until the convention. There was a small town in Colorado that elected a cat for mayor as I recall. The cat turned out to be really popular. Great arguments Bill, as usual. Edited September 12, 2008 by tvashtarkatena Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted September 12, 2008 Posted September 12, 2008 If we elect another bumbler like this into white house we deserve what we get. My feeling is that you are gonna get one and there is nothing you can do about it. The main difference is that one has darker skin and is much younger than the other one, you will not be happy with either. Plan on it. Have a nice day. Again, another erudite assessment. Palin is not playing well AT ALL on TV, now that the light of day is upon her. She is revealed for what she is; a petty, ignorant, small town politico who has as much business being in national leadership as my aforementioned cat mayor. There is a huge rally to prevent her from getting anywhere near the White House in both the GOP and the Democratic party. I wouldn't underestimate it, but go with your 'folksy' wisdom if you must. Quote
Jim Posted September 12, 2008 Posted September 12, 2008 I just plain astounded how inarticulate McCain is - he really is not the sharpest tool in the shed. His inability, or refusal, to develop meaningful policies that reflect the sophistication of world realities is numbing. Folks voted for The Idiot twice and now - they're shocked over his performance!!! And his approval rating is in the 20's, lowest for a sitting president since the data collection began. So I guess there's always a chance we'll continue the trend of putting in a head of state as dumb as a stump. Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted September 12, 2008 Posted September 12, 2008 (edited) I caught Obama on Letterman the other night. What strikes me is that the guy can actually have a conversation. He can understand a question, and respond, coherently, in his native language spoken properly, to the question asked. McCain is speaks from a pull down of pre-fab answers, much like the Terminator after it's eaten but unable to swallow (cuz its a robot) a family sized box of GrapeNuts. He is utterly unable to have a cogent conversation. Palin isn't even able to string words together into a sentence. Her inability to speak her native tongue, and there's not a fucking chance she's got another one to switch to, is sobering. How can one lead if one cannot even communicate? Edited September 12, 2008 by tvashtarkatena Quote
Doug Posted September 12, 2008 Posted September 12, 2008 sheesh TTK. Do you realize that when you refer to Gov. Palin as she every time you point out the shortcomings in her qualifications you are making a sexist attack on this wildy popular public figure? This is sure to offend someone. And you know that every time you offend someone you discredit yourself. Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted September 12, 2008 Posted September 12, 2008 Besides, every time I call Palin an ignorant, trailer trash cunt, it's purely political commentary. Quote
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