fear_and_greed Posted June 3, 2008 Posted June 3, 2008 Wait, this is 2008 not 2004 or earlier when the smart people(Toyota)were making plans for the future. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aLWDllz9eIMk&refer=us Rising gas prices? Boy that sure caught us by surprise. Yuk yuk. Decades of second rate engineering, abysmal quality control and styling ques picked up from a kindergarden art class trash can will finally be the death of this rotting corpse. Quote
billcoe Posted June 3, 2008 Posted June 3, 2008 China is becoming a HUGE auto market. Buick outsells Toyota in China. Quote
STP Posted June 3, 2008 Posted June 3, 2008 I saw several of these in the HOV lane yesterday on the drive south. Â Â Â I also passed, slowly, through Seattle where a semi jacknived. Â Smaller cars? Â tywC-gRXbq0 Â Â Quote
DPS Posted June 3, 2008 Posted June 3, 2008 I thought this was going to be about that climb at Index. Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted June 3, 2008 Posted June 3, 2008 Wait, this is 2008 not 2004 or earlier when the smart people(Toyota)were making plans for the future. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aLWDllz9eIMk&refer=us Rising gas prices? Boy that sure caught us by surprise. Yuk yuk. Decades of second rate engineering, abysmal quality control and styling ques picked up from a kindergarden art class trash can will finally be the death of this rotting corpse. Â Yeah, it's GM's fault that American's buy trucks/SUV's. Â Quote
Jim Posted June 3, 2008 Posted June 3, 2008 No. They're just stupid for clinging on to the SUV dream and Americans are stupid for buying them. We'll see if the Chinese and Indians are any brighter as they go forward en masse towards higher rates of car ownership. Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted June 3, 2008 Posted June 3, 2008 Â Â It's not stupidity. It's a profligate lifestyle, wastefulness, and entitlement. Â Quote
billcoe Posted June 3, 2008 Posted June 3, 2008 I saw several of these in the HOV lane yesterday on the drive south.   I'm 4 months into that 10 month waiting list. These get to drive in the HOV lane STP or did they have passengers? Quote
billcoe Posted June 3, 2008 Posted June 3, 2008 No. They're just stupid for clinging on to the SUV dream and Americans are stupid for buying them. We'll see if the Chinese and Indians are any brighter as they go forward en masse towards higher rates of car ownership. Â Hummers and Jeeps are seen in Peking fairly regularly enough anyway to not surprise you after the first time you see one. However, the Chinese govt is currently subsidizing Petrol prices....we'll see how long that lasts. Quote
Stefan Posted June 3, 2008 Posted June 3, 2008 This is the most telling of the entire story: Â "GM hasn't had an annual profit since 2004." Â What kind of company is that? Quote
Hugh Conway Posted June 3, 2008 Posted June 3, 2008 Wait, this is 2008 not 2004 or earlier when the smart people(Toyota)were making plans for the future. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aLWDllz9eIMk&refer=us Rising gas prices? Boy that sure caught us by surprise. Yuk yuk. Decades of second rate engineering, abysmal quality control and styling ques picked up from a kindergarden art class trash can will finally be the death of this rotting corpse. Â Yeah, it's GM's fault that American's buy trucks/SUV's. Â Â It's amazing how Toyota manages to make money selling SUVs and cars Quote
Jim Posted June 3, 2008 Posted June 3, 2008 I saw several of these in the HOV lane yesterday on the drive south.   I'm 4 months into that 10 month waiting list. These get to drive in the HOV lane STP or did they have passengers?  I'm curious about why you would buy this car. I looked into them and the milage is not so hot for such a little car. A Honda Civic does just as well with much more room. I saw two reviews in the NYT that said the thing had extremely poor handling and pickup, and not great milage. So what's up? Quote
underworld Posted June 3, 2008 Posted June 3, 2008 I saw several of these in the HOV lane yesterday on the drive south.   I'm 4 months into that 10 month waiting list. These get to drive in the HOV lane STP or did they have passengers?  I'm curious about why you would buy this car. I looked into them and the milage is not so hot for such a little car. A Honda Civic does just as well with much more room. I saw two reviews in the NYT that said the thing had extremely poor handling and pickup, and not great milage. So what's up?    great gas mileage, great pickup, great handling... and you at least might get thrown out of harms way in the event of a crash ... just sayin.. Quote
underworld Posted June 3, 2008 Posted June 3, 2008 Wait, this is 2008 not 2004 or earlier when the smart people(Toyota)were making plans for the future. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aLWDllz9eIMk&refer=us Rising gas prices? Boy that sure caught us by surprise. Yuk yuk. Decades of second rate engineering, abysmal quality control and styling ques picked up from a kindergarden art class trash can will finally be the death of this rotting corpse.  Yeah, it's GM's fault that American's buy trucks/SUV's.   It's amazing how Toyota manages to make money selling SUVs and cars  unions??? Quote
Jim Posted June 3, 2008 Posted June 3, 2008 I saw several of these in the HOV lane yesterday on the drive south.   I'm 4 months into that 10 month waiting list. These get to drive in the HOV lane STP or did they have passengers?  I'm curious about why you would buy this car. I looked into them and the milage is not so hot for such a little car. A Honda Civic does just as well with much more room. I saw two reviews in the NYT that said the thing had extremely poor handling and pickup, and not great milage. So what's up?    great gas mileage, great pickup, great handling... and you at least might get thrown out of harms way in the event of a crash ... just sayin..  My wife's middle-schoolers would get a kick out of her pulling up to school with this, but it's hard to see how she could pile on all the work she brings home. Now only if that '89 Mazda she has would die already. Quote
Jim Posted June 3, 2008 Posted June 3, 2008 I hear ya. 50 miles in this week so far. Riding the one with fenders today. Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted June 3, 2008 Posted June 3, 2008 Our team of 10 had 2500+ miles in the bike to work contest last month! Â Quote
Hugh Conway Posted June 3, 2008 Posted June 3, 2008 unions??? Â GMs engineers that design the unoriginal, die at 100k, plastic knobbed 25mpg POS compact cars aren't union Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted June 3, 2008 Posted June 3, 2008 Â cars don't have to make it to 100K if you throw them away and buy a new one every 3-4 years. the American way. Â Quote
underworld Posted June 3, 2008 Posted June 3, 2008 ummm.. that was in response the moneymaking comment... not the designs Quote
Jim Posted June 3, 2008 Posted June 3, 2008 Our team of 10 had 2500+ miles in the bike to work contest last month! Â Impressive!! I had 580 myself. Other folks in the office are not carrying their weight lately. Quote
billcoe Posted June 3, 2008 Posted June 3, 2008 I'm curious about why you would buy this car. I looked into them and the milage is not so hot for such a little car. A Honda Civic does just as well with much more room. I saw two reviews in the NYT that said the thing had extremely poor handling and pickup, and not great milage. So what's up? Â Gimme a min to grab my balls and protect them first and then I'll answer it. Quote
Stefan Posted June 3, 2008 Posted June 3, 2008 I hear ya. 50 miles in this week so far. Riding the one with fenders today. Â Yeah well, I did 114 miles last week on my bike, so there! Quote
No. 13 Baby Posted June 3, 2008 Posted June 3, 2008 My bicycle gets awesome gas mileage. Â And when it rains? Quote
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